Suggestion for Ai tools for Cubase

Cubase
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To be clear, by saying I didn’t work in music industry, I meant that I wasn’t doing songs, just soundtracks.

And also to make things clear, when I wrote about generation or magic fill tool, I’d like to use it in a way that I’d select some bars written by me and ask to generate a number of extra bars, and it would analyse what I have written and add to it. There would be some other use cases too.

Or if I create a drum loop, and want to have it different sounding, instead of going trough and using same presets it could modify the sound based on prompt etc.

As for loops, some loops are recorded, some other are made with vst’s.

And honestly, to me using sequencers ui’s to do stuff is least interesting thing to do, like pitch tuning, or improving expressiveness etc. If ai could do it for me that would be perfect and I could focus more on music itself.

Answering your question, I don’t think generative tools will affect me in a bad way, but I might be wrong. I’m ready to use them to my advantage anyway at this point.

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Ok , but , respectfully, it is the music industry, i.e., you make money from your music. But OK, I understand.

I understand you, but you know it won’t stop there, right?

Nothing wrong imo with any of these suggestions.

In my opinion, if prompt based , music-creating AI will be infused to Cubase, it will be a complete chaos and could potentially wipe out an entire sector of working musicians.

Personally, I am not afraid of AI in music, but this is because I work on a sector where music is fiercely defended, but not everybody enjoys the same privilege.

It’s OK to talk about half full glasses, a small step forward in letting the AI do the work for you, even for a few bars, but we all know it won’t stop there.

Steinberg needs to make money, so if it will take this path, the endgame will be , inevitably, a fully automated music-generating AI implementation.

There will be no water left in the glass, people who make a living from music, will stop making money, will stop being able to pay their electricity/gas/tax/shopping, put food on the table, put their kids through college. This is not funny, this is serious stuff…

I personally hope that Steinberg will be EXTREMELY careful about implementing any of these tools (prompt-based automatic music-creating AI), I personally hope they never will for the sake of many working musicians.

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You remember when piracy started, that was a time when a lot of older musicians lost their royalties from album sales. It was dramatic moment in history too for those people. But people moved on and adopted.

As I wrote earlier, I had best time doing music when it was simple, hands on process, playing real instruments or synths, recording to tape, or to atari. Then things changed and everything started being done with vst. I chose to adapt.

Every sequencer soon will be adding Ai tools. And as you said, it won’t stop, and there will be a point where you can fully generate music in sequencers too. Market will force that. But we will be able to choose the tools while working.

Thought, frankly, i do expect ai generator that will analyse a movie scene and generate appropriate underscore.

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Ok fine, you are good with the destruction of the music industry.

Thanks for confirming.

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C’mon man. No need to be mean.

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It’s OK man, just keep defending AI, sorry , I’m out. very best.

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It is what it is. I didn’t invent that tech.

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Oh, and BTW, nobody adapted.

It is now the era or the rich who buy their own careers, and musicians to be influencers to make ends meat, so no, nobody has adapted…as I said, I’m out, all the best.

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30 years ago a solo artist would have to be extraordinarily lucky or have deep connections in the business in order to get released. Today, a kid with enough talent can reach world stardom from posting a couple of videos on YouTube. Some doors have become more narrow while new ones have opened.
In the meantime, there are a million classical orchestra musicians who carry on as if nothing happened.

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Next level reached:

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Interesting. Perfect rhythm with standard and consensual sounding instruments and voices. The result is as boring as can be, and I was glad when the 3’00 duration was reached : I would rather have named this piece “It started to yawn”.

But there is a real enlightning and optimistic aspect of the whole thing : if AI “generative” skills are to remain at this level, there will still be a large place for true musicians, at least in a forseeable future.

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Exactly! Next level of boredom reached :roll_eyes:
In the AI buzzword, only the first letter is actually true.

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Wait till next week’s 2.0 release

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Each output of a generative neural network will always, in principle, resemble a combination of the training data. There is no real creativity, no magic involved.

Will the next versions of AI-generated music be indistinguishable from human performances?
Yes!

Will it bring some new concepts, new forms, some new approach to working with tension and release?
No!

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What about when they apply the “Randomize This” knob, turned to 60%?

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I remember when Visual Basic first appeared. There was a glut of badly programmed, useless programs with gaudy interfaces. Because VB enables the talentless.
AI is no different. AI won’t produce a Beethoven, a Zappa, or even a Rotten. Just copies.
AI as a production tool, maybe. As a compositional tool? Hells no.
Long live the Luddites!

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“They” will never dare. Maybe to 18%, at most…

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One does not contrive an accident: one observes it
to draw inspiration therefrom. An accident is perhaps
the only thing that really inspires us. A composer
improvises aimlessly the way an animal grubs about
Both of them go grubbing about because they yield to
a compulsion to seek things out. What urge of the
composer is satisfied by this investigation? The rules
with which, like a penitent, he is burdened? No: he is
in quest of his pleasure. He seeks a satisfaction that
he fully knows he will not find without first striving
for it. One cannot force one’s self to love; but love pre-
supposes understanding, and in order to understand,
one must exert one’s self.

That’s what they were saying almost 80 years ago, but I guess pleasure is very much low priority now?

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Yeah, it’s boring. But it’s kind of boring that is being played in shopping centres.

Again, this topic is about ai tools for cubase, not about total replacement, or about the quality of the generated music.

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To be honest - we don’t know. Some stuff I generated in udio and suno was very original.