Synth Decisions

We’re spoiled for choice. With my synths and sample collection I’ve told people that I can make any sound in existence. No idea if that’s true but makes me feel like Hackerman.

After the price of purchase, setup and learning the synths, then they come with another hidden price: Too many options. What do I do next? Oh there’s that one synth that I’ve barely looked at. Oh another one that I haven’t heard all its presets. Oh I need a bass and have five synths that can do bass.

Soo.. how do you choose your next synth? Do you have a system?

Do you stick with only one genre? Or do you have some favorite plugins and master those ones and forsake all others? Or do you just randomly go browsing around until you find something that sounds good and run with it? :thinking:

Well, I’m a virtual instruments/audio plugins junkie. See Equipment and Software • Rick Paul to get an idea of my habit. :slight_smile:

Of course, that has been built up over about a quarter of a century now (I think my first real virtual instrument was the version of GigaPiano that was included in Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 Deluxe), somewhere around 2000. Before that (and for a while afterward), I had a fair rack of MIDI modules, with the idea of trying to emulate many different types of instruments. (Most of mine were from Roland, but I also had an Oberheim Matrix 1000 and one of my keyboards that served both as a MIDI controller and source of sounds was the Alesis QuadraSynth Plus Piano.)

I’m not sure I have any system. It mostly tends to be picking up something that interests me for a specific need, or a keyboard I always longed bug couldn’t afford back in the hardware days, but there is also the “keeping my collection complete” type for specific product families (mainly the Arturia V-Collection on the actual synths front, but I also recently picked up MusicLab’s RealTele since I have all their virtual guitars, and both those companies do well with loyalty pricing).

As for the specific needs category, the RealTele purchase more or less fit that, too, but my most recent purchases were The Steel (lap steel) and The Fiddle from Indiginus late last year as I am working on some more traditional-style country music at the moment, and both of those were instruments that filled a needed function for those recordings.

On the keyboards I’d always wanted but couldn’t afford in the hardware days front, my most recent purchase was the Roland D-50 VST instrument. (I did have an MT-32 back in the day, but that was truly a poor man’s synth for the synthesis technique the D-50 had.)

This year’s keeping the collection complete additions were the aforementioned RealTele and Arturia’s Augmented Persia and Memory V.

I don’t only stick with one genre. While I’ve been mostly working on more country-flavored tracks this year (specifically a batch of cowboy-themed songs I wrote back in the late 90s and earlier but hadn’t gotten around to recording), I also did a late 70s/early 80s hair band-style power ballad and a pop rock with brass section song earlier in the year.

What I use on any give recording tends to be specific to the needs of that recording. For example, on the rock ballad, I was going for a sound influenced by Journey, and, for the synth-type sounds on that track, I did a little research on synths Journey had used, as well as other synths used in that era, and I ended up using Arturia’s Jupiter 8, Prophet 5, and OB-Xa emulations. Of course, there were other virtual instruments on that track for drums, bass, guitars, and piano, and those were ones I tend to use more regularly – Superior Drummer for drums (though I pick the particular SDX or EZX based on the song’s needs), IK MODO Bass 2 for bass, electric guitars from NI (Electric Sunburst Deluxe) and MusicLab (RealLPC), and IK PianoVerse for the piano.

For the instruments I use regularly, especially across genres, I do indeed tend to master those to a degree, and those may change over the years (e.g. MODO Bass replaced Trilian, which replaced Trilogy, and PianoVerse has mostly replaced a whole variety of pianos I’ve used over the years). But specifically for synth sounds, there’s a bit of roll of the dice when I don’t know what I want upfront. In that case, I may bring up Analog Lab and experiment, maybe using the search for characteristics of sounds and/or genres to help in narrowing down patches to audition. Then there are also times where I just want to try something new and let the sounds inspire me. That’s been an area where I’ve really liked the Arturia Augmented series.

Part of the reason I have so many virtual instruments, though, is that, over time and use, various limitations start to be more apparent with any given instrument. That might be sound quality, but it might more likely be related to workflow – e.g. for a virtual violin or fiddle or a virtual guitar, how much work is required to get it to sound realistic for my specific context? Sometimes something comes along that seems like it will raise the bar, be it on the sound front or making my life easier going from what I play on a controller to what I need for the final sound. I’d used various products for violin and fiddle parts in the past, but I was really wasn’t getting the results I wanted, no less getting those results quickly. But I felt the Indiginus fiddle might help on that front, and it has proven itself. What I play already sounds better than what I could play and program with the previous products I’d used, and when I program it on top of that, I can get much better results than I’d ever achieved before. Thus, while I still have the products I’d used (or attempted to use) in the past, they may not get used much, or even at all (aside from maybe for starting remixes, and possibly getting replaced by something newer), nowadays.

Yes I see that.
You definitely have everything. I got the AAS plugins too. Chromaphone 2 is still my favorite so far. Don’t know why, it just is. I don’t think that’s a logical thing, just a feeling.

I will be building a database of my inventory as well, somewhat like your webpage. But I’ll be doing it with the obsidian bases. Will give them custom columns with useful data, so I can find and sort something that I need to know. It will be a really quick reference of what I have available to me.

Am doing that with my keyboard shortcuts now, as I got the notify of your reply. All the shortcuts I have assigned in every program. With a column for their family and combo (Ctrl + N , and Ctrl + Shift + N are in the same combo, because you just hold another modifier). A column for ‘global’ so that when I want to make a new shortcut I quickly sort by global to see if there are conflicts with other software that’s running in the background.

I have to wait another week but I’m for sure going to be scooping up that Halion 7. Damn right I am. But I’m starting to get pretty full; to the point that I will be unsubscribing from plugin emails cause I don’t need any more. I believe in obtaining a plugin or software if it can do add an ability (or better than current) that I can’t currently do; while trying to avoid redundancies. For example, having multiple bass plugins is redundant imo.

So I’m wondering if I should start prioritizing plugins, for sake of time. I’m starting to get the feeling that I won’t be able to explore them all due to the shape the world is in, so I should have a system, and only do what is necessary, while I still can.

You seem to lean toward what is needed now, instead of just exploring at a whim. I think you’re right about that, except I doubt that I will have to time to gain as much experience as you have, in order to know where to go for what is needed.

I will think about it, thanks for the reply.

I stopped worrying about synths when I realised I was more interested in making new music than I was in new making sounds.
HALion (with Dark Planet, Triebwerk and Hypnotic Dance) does it all for me, in that respect.
Cured of GAS.

What do you mean by, “stopped worrying” ? You just go to your favorites now?

Not my studio but funny:

I like nice tools too.
But I’m also down with the combination tools. Having only one keyboard cause of the NKS standard. Things like that. Halion 7 with its FM Lab and the “make an instrument” feature is perfect.

I didn’t know what I was going to do about making instruments out of samples. In the past I used Image Line’s horribly outdated and broken DirectWave. Halion is so much more advanced than that, that I’m probably going to sample out my DW packs and get rid of it entirely. I’ve already imported my drum samples into Groove Agent. I want to get rid of Battery 4 too cause it can only sample; it doesn’t have any real integration.

I think HALion is a massively underrated analog synth. Throw in all the other synth engines it has, and there’s no real need for another synth.
It’s a fact that too many options does stifle creativity. Which is why, for the last 8 years or so, I’ve limited my self to a five-piece rock band with a four-piece brass section.
That’s my choice and opinion. It doesn’t have to be any one else’s. And it’s not a criticism of other ways of doing things.
Just offering a different perspective.


I just open one up at random and start going through presets until I hear something that catches my fancy and then try to come up with music for that sound…then of course edit the preset to fit the music better :wink:

Well, not everything. I’m decidedly missing some key stuff that many people have – Spectrasonics Omnisphere is one huge omission in terms of ultra-popular instruments. And there are some newer ones that many have, as well. However, my music is mostly more on the organic side (acoustic drums, bass guitar or acoustic bass, acoustic and electric guitars, piano, and sometimes organ as the core), adding flavor – synths, strings, brass, ethnic instruments – only if needed for a specific song, or if I’m intentionally working on something out of my comfort zone, for example to target a specific opportunity.

I originally got into AAS because their Tassman was included with a Cakewalk DAW (don’t recall if it was Pro Audio 9 or SONAR). The rest of the stuff (I no longer have Tassman as the version I had hasn’t worked for ages on my systems) I have of theirs I likely picked up from loyalty deals and because, at the time, they sounded like they might be of interest for some basic need or specific project. Chromaphone has really been the only one that’s stuck with me, and I still do at least try it out when fishing for potential sounds for a synth application where I don’t already have a good idea of what I need. I find it interesting for sounds that aren’t necessarily recognizable but have a textural element, or possibly as one ingredient for a combined patch.

That’s one way to avoid the temptation. :see_no_evil_monkey: I’ve recently unsubscribed from a few email lists, but I still keep up most of mine, even the ones that get annoying due to sending multiple emails a day (UAD and IK are especially guilty of this; at least Waves tends to limit their emails to once a day) because, ultimately, I do want to find out about their new products, and they don’t seem to have options to limit the types and numbers of emails they send you – you know like, don’t keep mailing me sale ads for products I already own!

The new capability and better-than-current capability have mostly been my criteria on additions. On the latter front, I still keep the older plugins and instruments around, both for compatibility with older projects where I’ve used them (at least as a starting point when doing a remix – often my main reason for a remix is to significantly upgrade the sound quality to target a specific opportunity with a song whose recording needs to be updated, and I’ll end up replacing specific instruments and most of the audio plugins) and to have options on flavors.

I don’t see having multiple bass plugins as redundant. If you just consider bass guitars, there are many flavor possibilities. While I mostly use MODO BASS 2 for that right now, sometimes a Kontakt bass guitar may be a better fit for a specific project or genre. And, of course, maybe a different type of bass is needed, like an acoustic bass (MODO does now do those, but maybe Trilian’s might be better in some cases?), and, then there are synth basses, where there can be lots of different characters for different flavors, and then there can be layering of different basses for different elements of a composite sound.

Of course, this kind of consideration comes even more into play with guitars (various flavors of electrics and acoustics, strumming versus picking versus leads, what kind of inflections might be needed for a part and how much programming might be involved, etc.) And the reason I’ve mostly standardized on PianoVerse MAX for acoustic pianos these days is because that one plugin provides so many high-quality flavors, though there are still cases where I need something else, like NOIRE for a felt piano or some other unique instrument.

For me, this comes down to the types of music you make, the needs of that music, and what products fulfill those needs most all the time versus a fair portion of the time versus sometimes.

So, for example, in my case, typically making organic music, Superior Drummer (plus a whole bunch of SDX and EZX extensions) fills my needs for drum kits almost 100% of the time these days, so it’s a no-brainer to load that up when I need drums (which is probably 95% of the time). It sometimes can fill percussion needs, too, but nowhere near as consistently. On that front, I’m more likely to go with either In Session Audio’s Shimmer Shake Strike 2 or NI’s Session Percussionist. (The latter is pretty limited in terms of time signature and measure boundary considerations – it really wants even number measure boundaries, so, if you throw in an extra measure for emphasis at some point, it can be hard to deal with.) PianoVerse can fill my needs for acoustic pianos in most cases nowadays. But when it comes to guitars, I’m still using a bunch of different product lines – MusicLab, UJAM, NI Session Guitarist, and Acoustic Samples – because, not only am I using multiple types of guitars in most recordings, but there are also different needs for each part for both sound and type of playing. When I’m doing a brass section (sax, trumpet, trombone), I almost always use the SampleModeling instruments, which I play with a wind controller. But when it comes to synths, that can be all over the place, and I’m more likely to experiment, be it just within Analog Lab (which can bring up sounds from all the V-Collection instruments) and/or trying other developers’ products (e.g. Chromaphone, Padshop, Massive, etc.).

Yes, that is largely true. I am recording songs I’ve already written the vast percentage of the time, and I have a feel for what they’ll need when I record them, even if I’ve only played them piano/vocal to that point. It’s pretty rare for me to use a DAW as a compositional tool, and it’s also pretty rare for me to look to sounds for inspiration for writing a song. I have done a little of that, mainly for instrumental song opportunities, but it’s not really my thing – essentially, I’m a song person first, with the recordings subsidiary to that. That said, each project also does get into some experimentation, for example for choosing guitar sounds and processing, and, if is something that will need synth sounds, then there is a lot more experimentation involved.

LOL! Well, back in the hardware days, that was relevant but unaffordable (at least for me), though I did, at my peak on the hardware front, have a couple of actual keyboards (Roland Rhodes MK-80 and Alesis Quadrasynth Plus Piano) and a rack of MIDI modules (Alesis D4, Oberheim Matrix 1000, and Roland JV1080, MKS20, U-220, U-110, and perhaps a few others I’m forgetting), and my Mackie 32*8 mixer’s inputs were fully populated from that plus one channel left for a microphone. :slight_smile:

But, of course, now we have all that and more in software instruments we’d never have been able to afford in those days. I mean I have a friggin’ Synclavier (those alone used to be upwards of $100K) among the many synths in my overall Arturia V Collection!