My friend nobody is taking away the piano roll paradigm from you .,you will still have it and I’m NOT talking about other musicians and also i wonder from where you got the impression that Musical notation it is a thing of the past LOL
OK and since you are classical trained answer these:
say that:
you are writing for a choir 4 voices or
having 2 or more melodies at the same time
You will give this piece of music to other musicians will you give them dots and lines ?
What is best piano roll or Notation ?..
Despite your rather condescending tone nobody leaned against your feature request as it might surely be helpful in certain user cases. Quite the opposite, your fellow users gave you tips how to improve your experience with Cubase!
Oh my:
Sorry, I am not going to honour this nonsense with an answer.
And there were also actual questions which I am happy to answer:
Let me counter this with three questions:
Why does Dorico exist?
If you want to work with Cubase instead why not being grateful for the advice that has been given to you?
How do you notate/display a simple long synth note with automated ADSR, resonance and cutoff in a score?
Okay, the last one is on the same level as your questions before, guilty. I just couldn’t resist knowing about the desperate attempts to squeeze those parameters into some kind of score. Reminded me of a child’s drawing…
Each notational system has its value in its own right. Which one you pick that is entirely up to you and based on the piece you are workin on. Of course, they can be combined and profit from each others strengths. Of course, no notational system is superior to the other nor does it give any clue about the “seriousness” or skills of the composer/musician whatsoever. THAT is just wrong, @Gregio !
And that kind of attitude and thinking roots deeply in the dark past like I pointed out before.
I am closing this argument with the words of @antic604
You are not right saying “all serious music is written on scores”…
I recommend to study how many film composers work these days. See Ann Katrin Dern for example.
I appreciate all the comments but these things i already know about them instead let us all work together to bring this wonderful thing of having Musical score on the Project window to Steinberg’s attention . i don’t underestimate other people who like other ways of working
Many of the composers that i admire don’t know Notation .
Absolutely but all classical music was written on scores this doesn’t diminishes it’s value and Ann Katrin Dern that is her way of working understandable but she is not a point of reference.
The point here is: There IS NO point of reference. There is just history, where the option of a “piano roll” did simply not exist.
I have to add: There are tools that support either way of working and don’t forget: historically there have been efforts to create new ways to do “scoring” at any time!
I personally am working both ways, depending on what I prefer.
The claim “all classical… is notation” is a historical one, not a proof for the superiority of the approach. It is THIS claim that I dont see justified.
Having said all that: I do see the need and wish for both. Times are excellent for choices like that, we never had decent support for both ways before.
Either apporach has flaws. That is what we are debating here!
I do not oppose traditional notation. I am just explaining that it is not generally superior and all your desperate attempts to “prove” that point are in vain and even more, they are superfluous - since both approaches DO exist.
You want a score in the project window. Fine.
You want it because the piano roll “sucks”? … not fine, but stupid and ignorant.
And to be constructive and supporting:
I suggest you change the thread-title from a rant against piano roll to something that describes what you want. Like e.g.: “Score in Project Window”
I think it will be very hard to something useful with it since you need a lot more space to print a score than just a dot. However it would be very cool even if you only can see a few tracks and it still will only be for midi data. But with a score overlay on audio track is maybe the future…
The key editor is not made to visualize Music but rather to correct note data and that’s what it is no more than that and that’s what is going to be forever period.
People forget that the Music Notation that we have today is a result of many hundreds of years of work from composers that most of today’s musicians are not worthy of even binding the laces of their shoes .,
Like the fox in Aesop’s fables when she saw that the grapes where to high and she couldn’t reach them then she said that they where not ripe .
In my experience this isn’t true. For example if I see a Note on a staff, that Note might indicate 3 different pitches depending on if there is an accidental proceeding it or a key signature several inches to the left. If I look at that same Note in the Key Editor there is zero ambiguity, the pitch is not dependent on anything else. In the Key Editor you see exactly what’s going on & I personally find that clarity very useful. With a Score it kind of has to go through a decoder ring first. On a score a major & minor third can visually look the same (i.e. two dots on adjacent spaces) where in the Key Editor they are always visually distinct.
I also find it is substantially faster to enter Notes in the Key Editor vs the Score where you are entering Notes one by one and switching between Note lengths as you do so. In the Key Editor I’ll enter a single Note one or more bars long. Then I just split the Note into the rhythm I want and Arrow through them to change the pitch or use the Delete key for rests. This is both easier & faster than trying to enter the same Notes in the Score (old editor, haven’t used the new one yet).
So I prefer the Key Editor because I value its visual clarity, simplicity and quick workflow.
I’m pretty sure I use the Key Editor more for composition than correction. But now that you’ve explained how it only does correction I guess I’ll just have to stop writing music. Thanks, that should free up some time.
You know what is funny? You already had the attention of one of the responsible Steinberg developers. But instead of engaging with him nicely you decided to blow him off.
Basically you sabotaged yourself.
