The piano roll is such an un-musical approach

Add to that different clefs, 8va and other notations that might alter the pitch… I can think of at least 30 variations of pitch a single note on a staff may have.

It’s all a matter of training I guess. If you are working with notation day in and out it will be easy to read and write. For others the key editor might be more revealing.
And then there are those that can’t read anything as they have no experience with either of these two.

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AFAIK, the lower zone of the project window is in… the project window.

Now, if you want the score editor to occupy nearly the full area of your screen and replace other visuals when dealing with MIDI stuff, Dorico is your friend.

If working with audio, I’m afraid that you’ll have to wait for an efficient AI implementation to be able to do this. I could be wrong, but I’m not holding my breath…

At the end, one way is neither more or less ‘musical’ than the other, IMO. I see any other conclusion as a kind of elitist stance : the true important thing is what we are able to get from our tools, including instruments or not.

No it is outside of it and as you have said it is in the lower zone
and why occupying the whole area? is the key editor you use covering the whole area?..
and as of which way is more musical it is up to the Musicality of the individual user
what is musical for you might not be for another, for me piano roll is not musical at all
actually it is as musical as a spreadsheet …

Well i don’t know who is and who is not a developer and certainly i haven’t blow him off
it is good to conversate with people even if sometimes gets a little rough that doesn’t mean hostility on the contrary let us engage in dialog we are all in this together…

It is not against it is more like getting Cubase more compatible and friendly to people that can read Musical Notation.

I wouldn’t mind having this…it’s be helpful to me when looking for specific musical phrases and such.

As for entering and editing music, give this a try if you want to work mostly with traditional music notation.

Make an empty template for your desired orchestration. This should include empty parts for each Instrument/MIDI Track.

Select all the tracks and open a score view. Tinker with the page size in layout to take advantage of your screen real estate (can always change it to what you need for ‘printing’ later).

Draw or Step Record in notes to your heart’s content.

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Thanks man, that is a nice approach .,
Now think of a piano piece on one Midi track displayed as a Notation 2 clefs bass and treble and the vocal Audio track underneath it also a drum track , a chord track and a Markers track
the 2 clef piano score being enlarged all in the project window ,
And the Mixer in the lower zone…How about it?..

That’s if you consider film composition as “serious music”, a vast majority, is sadly not.
Not defending the OP, but I think he is referring to Beethoven, rather that Dern (again, no disrespect to Dern) .

My additional thought on some of the stuff talk about here:

Written, serious music, is a subject to not be taken lightly IMHO. Great composers that graced this planet have written masterpieces on a piece of paper, with pencil (or anything else that was available at the time). Every time I visit Foyles in London and I visit the music department, upon opening symphonies and choral works, I feel as small as an atom.

To say that these are works of Serious Music, is not about elitism. It’s about appreciating, in pragmatic terms, the enormity and gravity of such works. By serious music I presume the OP means orchestral works, symphonies, oratorio? If so, this is true.

But under this train of thought, one cannot put a wall between the tools to score, and those only with the “holy power” to be able to use such tools.

One of course, needs to be able to write and read music, in order to use such tools (it goes without saying, really)

But there is no elitism on Dorico, iPad, PC, piece of paper and pen , or whatever is your weapon of choice…anyone with the knowledge to use them can do so.

With that said, I honestly cannot see how the score function would help in this instance. If you want to edit as per the score, there is this thing in Cubase called…well…score editor…

If that’s not good enough, perhaps try the lower zone as suggested?

Begs the questions:
What is Serious Music?
What makes a musician a Serious Musician?
Something for another thread, methinks.

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I know Mozart was not a very serious man.

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To me, it’s a term tagged for the greats of the past and anyone who has somehow managed to compose something equal in magnitude.

There are a lot of musicians that are writing music that can be taken shall I say “seriously” , in terms of the magnitude/complexity of their compositions and song writing. There are some magnificent musicians out there who write equally magnificent music. It being pop, rock, fusion, orchestral and anything in between.

But I see the tag Serious Music for what I described above. Not to somehow make other styles less in value , in terms of importance.

His music was :wink:

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I would bet that Beethoven and Mozart - even Bach - would have used the piano roll if it had been available to them - most likely not exclusively…
I am NOT arguing AGAINST musical notation as I already explained. I just strongly oppose the notion that it is in some mysterious way more than a traditional thing that is superior to other approaches in general.

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And what is the problem with you if it is in the project window?..

How? I can’t visualise this.

Really ? Never thought that the lower zone could be an independent window, as I have never seen it listed in the dedicated Cubase Windows menu, until now.

I’ve never seen a spreadsheet with quantize and controller lanes functions… :thinking:

Then explain why there is a dividing line that you can drag it for resizing?..

Please explain…

Precisely because the lower zone pane and the arrange one are two parts of the same entity which is called the"Project window".