tuplet one stroke tremolo

It has been discussed in this forum, even if I can’t find the thread at the moment.
I try to achieve this result:

Good news, it is very well possible to do this with Dorico:

This is the procedure in single steps:

activate the caret:

important, now press the note value of your triplets (for example here ‘5’ for quavers)
3) caret.png
2) triplets one stem tremolo Dorico.png
1) triplets one stem tremolo.png

now press the key command to invoke tuplets:

press ‘3’ for triplets:

and finish with ‘Enter’

Type in the triplets:

6) triplets.png
5) 3 Enter.png
4) tuplet popover.png

this is the interim result:

now select the first of each triplet:

and change the note value to a dotted crotchet (by typing ‘6’ ‘.’)

9) dotted.png
8) selection.png
7) after input.png

now press the ‘.’ again to make them un-dotted:

we are pretty close, select the rests:

and remove them via the Edit Menu.

here the result:

12) removed rests.png
11) select rests.png
10) undotted.png

now we fine-tune the appearance of the tuplet description.

First we highlight them:

then we set the property for brackets to off:

Now it is time to get the single tremolo strokes:

15) single note tremolo.png
14) bracket off.png
13) highlighted tuplets.png

Voilà, here we have the desired result:

16) voilá, the result.png

I’m wondering whether the same result could be achieved with nested tuplets, the 2:3 being hidden… Probably faster way :wink:

[Edit] Invoke caret, press 5, invoke tuplet popover, type 3, enter, invoke tuplet popover, type 2:3, enter, type 6, invoke shif-R popover, type /
Select number 2 (tuplet), hide number.

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yes Marc, but does the ‘3’ display in that case?

[edit] ok, thank you Marc, I will try this later in the day… off to work now…

… back, have tried it, works :slight_smile:

Nice workaround. Marc’s right, of course.

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Great video, Leo! I wanted to dedicate this workflow to you, since I thought you would do it this way! You’re my Dorico master :wink:

Ha. I’m not sure how I feel about that, Marc :stuck_out_tongue:

you are all brilliant !

actually I have to come back to the subject, as something does wreck the following bar, please have a look here:

The following bar is been changed and I can not seem to select it’s tuplet number without effecting the preceding one:

So either the method of inputting nested 2:3 tuplets is not 100% clean or there might be a little hidden bug here…
wrecked bar.png

That’s operator error, I’m afraid. Before entering the tuplet you must have pressed 5 (quaver) not 4 (semiquaver). That’s given you one quaver triplet group which spans a barline and thus displays as two semiquaver groups.

ok, somehow I fixed it (try and error).
I went backwards, started with the second bar, pasted it to the first bar, deleted the first abbreviated tuplet and input it as semiquaver triplet again:

nested tuplets is nothing I came across so far, so please excuse my irritation
Do real world musicians really think, feel and play nested tuplets? - I am impressed :slight_smile:
fixed tuplets.png

I’ve certainly played (and felt) nested tuplets before!

It is the dilemma for the composer; instead of suggesting ‘play these 15 notes somehow nicely and free in that time’ the composer will think of complicated nested tuplets to get these 15 notes in a musical way ‘onto paper’…

How would you notate this without nested tuplets? (Assuming you would want to notate it, of course!)

oh gosh! is this an organ piece? I just hope it sounds beautiful :slight_smile:

Next level would be notating the famous death waltz (do nested tuplets come into being helpful there?):