k_b
September 14, 2018, 10:15am
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It has been discussed in this forum, even if I can’t find the thread at the moment.
I try to achieve this result:
Good news, it is very well possible to do this with Dorico:
This is the procedure in single steps:
activate the caret:
important, now press the note value of your triplets (for example here ‘5’ for quavers)
k_b
September 14, 2018, 10:19am
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now press the key command to invoke tuplets:
press ‘3’ for triplets:
and finish with ‘Enter’
Type in the triplets:
k_b
September 14, 2018, 10:21am
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this is the interim result:
now select the first of each triplet:
and change the note value to a dotted crotchet (by typing ‘6’ ‘.’)
k_b
September 14, 2018, 10:24am
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now press the ‘.’ again to make them un-dotted:
we are pretty close, select the rests:
and remove them via the Edit Menu.
here the result:
k_b
September 14, 2018, 10:26am
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now we fine-tune the appearance of the tuplet description.
First we highlight them:
then we set the property for brackets to off:
Now it is time to get the single tremolo strokes:
k_b
September 14, 2018, 10:26am
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Voilà, here we have the desired result:
I’m wondering whether the same result could be achieved with nested tuplets, the 2:3 being hidden… Probably faster way
[Edit] Invoke caret, press 5, invoke tuplet popover, type 3, enter, invoke tuplet popover, type 2:3, enter, type 6, invoke shif-R popover, type /
Select number 2 (tuplet), hide number.
Voilà
k_b
September 14, 2018, 10:33am
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yes Marc, but does the ‘3’ display in that case?
[edit] ok, thank you Marc, I will try this later in the day… off to work now…
… back, have tried it, works
Nice workaround. Marc’s right, of course.
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Great video, Leo! I wanted to dedicate this workflow to you, since I thought you would do it this way! You’re my Dorico master
Ha. I’m not sure how I feel about that, Marc
k_b
September 17, 2018, 9:00am
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actually I have to come back to the subject, as something does wreck the following bar, please have a look here:
The following bar is been changed and I can not seem to select it’s tuplet number without effecting the preceding one:
So either the method of inputting nested 2:3 tuplets is not 100% clean or there might be a little hidden bug here…
That’s operator error, I’m afraid. Before entering the tuplet you must have pressed 5 (quaver) not 4 (semiquaver). That’s given you one quaver triplet group which spans a barline and thus displays as two semiquaver groups.
k_b
September 17, 2018, 9:16am
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ok, somehow I fixed it (try and error).
I went backwards, started with the second bar, pasted it to the first bar, deleted the first abbreviated tuplet and input it as semiquaver triplet again:
nested tuplets is nothing I came across so far, so please excuse my irritation
Do real world musicians really think, feel and play nested tuplets? - I am impressed
I’ve certainly played (and felt) nested tuplets before!
k_b
September 17, 2018, 12:28pm
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It is the dilemma for the composer; instead of suggesting ‘play these 15 notes somehow nicely and free in that time’ the composer will think of complicated nested tuplets to get these 15 notes in a musical way ‘onto paper’…
How would you notate this without nested tuplets? (Assuming you would want to notate it, of course!)
k_b
September 17, 2018, 12:48pm
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oh gosh! is this an organ piece? I just hope it sounds beautiful
k_b
September 17, 2018, 12:50pm
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Next level would be notating the famous death waltz (do nested tuplets come into being helpful there?):