Tying notes together at the end of repeated sections

Hi,

Apologies for the rather basic question.

With reference to the attached image, how do I tie together notes immediately before the 1st time ending to notes at the start of the 2nd time ending? It does make playback sound odd if the notes aren’t correctly tied together.

Many thanks.

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So far the only way is to use laissez vibrer ties and adjust the endpoints as needed. There is also a workaround to get correct playback.

This comes up very frequently on the forum. Let us know if you need help finding the many topics on it, and I can post links.

I tried various search strings already to no avail. What search string would you suggest I use?

Here’s a good one from last year.

Many thanks

Well now I know how to insert laissez vibrer ties. Manipulating them in Engrave Mode is certainly a tedious process, and they seem to bend the opposite way to the direction I move the mouse, which will take a bit of getting used to. I had hoped there was a simple fix to this, but it appears not. Having inserted the laissez vibrer ties my nusic now appears correct, but sadly does not play correctly. A bit annoying but not a train smash. Ultimately it’s the accuracy of the printed music that is important. Correct playback was only a nice to have while writing the music.

I found it easier to use the offsets in the Properties panel to move the two ends of the l.v. ties.

My recollection of how to adapt the playback was to extend the audio in the Key Editor to the total length of the held note (hoping it is the same in both endings) and then suppressing playback of the tied-to notes. Make sure the tied note and tied-to notes are in different voices.

This was some time ago, so I hope if I have missed any of the subtleties, someone with more recent experience can correct me.

repeatEndingSustains.dorico (503.7 KB)

Thanks Derek, will try that :+1:

Why don’t they actually fix this?

It’s probably harder to implement then we guess from the outside.

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Maybe. Just seems to be a basic function of scoring. Although there seems to be a functional workaround however, convoluted.

I made a few user scripts that simplify the process of adding a backwards l.v. tie to a note. The scripts are attached to this post:

And instructions for adding the scripts to Dorico are in this post:

There is another often-suggested method, which is to use a grace note tied to the note and then hide the grace note. While I haven’t done this yet, my understanding from those who have is that it is much easier than trying to position the l.v. in a reverse position because the tie naturally goes where it needs to go.

So, you create a grace note preceding the first note of the measure, on the same pitch, tie them together, then using properties (I think you’d have to go into Engrave mode to access all the necessary properties), hide the stem and notehead of the grace note.

The caveat with the grace note solution is that some printers don’t behave as expected with hidden items or items set to opacity 0. My HP LaserJet, for example, basically prints a little white area where the hidden item is. So I try to avoid hidden items on the staff, since they leave a hole in the staff on my printer.

Just chipping in that this seems like quite a significant oversight. I’m a little surprised they didn’t provide a fix for this. All we need (I suppose) is a laissez vibrer tie that goes the other way. Maybe that’s very difficult to do, but I think it would be worth the effort.

You can use an lv tie. Just set the tie start/end-offset properties to something negative in Engrave…

Thanks - this is a handy work around. Would be great if there was a tick box for this pretty common occurence.

Did you see the scripts I added in my post above? They will let you add a reversed l.v. tie to a note in one click from the Scripts menu.

Except the amount of the offset required is vey situation-dependent. Some prefer a longer tie, so the offsets would not be the same… others prefer to add a little y-offest etc. etc…

I don’t suppose there is a solution for playback? I have a rather obvious violin note announcing itself now :upside_down_face: