vertical line on a rest

Hi, could you please help me to understand a new lines feature - how do I draw vertical dashed lines on a rhythmic positions of all the rests? If its possible, wont it change an appearance, when I hide all the rests after that? Thank you😊


This falls outside the scope of the new Lines feature: a) there has to be a note for there to be a line, and b) vertical lines are expected to appear to the left or right of the notehead, not directly above. You could cheat it with some hidden noteheads, I guess…

Right. Definitely possible.

  1. Create a Notehead Set that contains an eighth rest glyph, which you’ll use on the final eighth.
  2. Create a Notehead Set that contains an empty glyph that you’ll use on the repeated Es you’re going to insert.
  3. Add a dashed line to the first stop, then use the Top/Bottom position properties to line up with the notehead. Fine tune in Engrave mode (note that there’s an invalidation glitch - these won’t show correctly in Write mode).
    Should look like this:

  1. Add another E on the second eighth of the bar, then add a dashed line. Basically repeat step 3.
  2. Select the E you’ve just added and the tweaked dashed line, then repeat a bunch of times.
  3. Put an additional Bb above the final eighth, then set it to use the Rest notehead. (You’ll need to redo the dashed line, as it will automatically have risen)
  4. Hide ledger line for final “rest”
  5. Add horizontal lines.

Thus far you should have something that looks like this:

  1. Hide Stems.
  2. Suppress Playback (if that’s important to you).
  3. Switch that bunch of Es over to the Hidden noteheads.
    End result:

I did all of that from scratch in approximately ten minutes. I’ve done crazier things for clients in the past, but it’s not exactly how I like to spend a week :wink:

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Unbelievable! Thank you very much for such extremely helpful answer, Leo. I will follow your tutorial. Thank you very much for taking time to explain everything in detail.

Thank you Leo for inspiration. I did it even without 1 and 2 step adding two lines to the 6th eight note and tuning a second one quickly in engraving mode😊

I’d like to officially ask that vertical lines be allowed to attach to rests — including whole rests, if needed — it’s something that comes up and these sorts of workarounds are obviously not ideal. I’d also like to request that it be possible to turn off “collision avoidance” for vertical lines, since that means it’s difficult to create the line on the nearest note and move it over in Engrave mode (since the line creates extra space for itself).

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I ran up against the same issue today. At first I thought it might have been an issue with implicit rests, so I added an explicit one, but to no avail. While the former didn’t surprise me once I thought of it as a possibility, the latter certainly did. I had an 8th note followed by an 8th rest and I needed the 8th rest to be included in the bracket. Took a minute of finagling in engrave mode.

Hello all -

I would like to ask you -

how I can set the position of the vertical line? I would like to add the line automatically in the middle of the notehead. If could be done?

thanks

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I don’t think that’s possible automatically, I’m afraid.

How long is your line? Would it perhaps work better as a custom playing techniques? Glyph playing techniques are automatically centered on noteheads.

Doesn’t Dorico directly support text callouts/annotations above/below a note/chord/rest? I’m referring to text + a vertical or diagonal line that points directly to a selected item, as shown below (crudely done in a PDF editor). By ”directly,” I mean without having to move things around in Engrave mode.

You could create a Playing Technique, type Glyph, and combine the text with an arrow.

Jesper

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Thanks for the suggestion, but playing technique text isn’t editable. The point is to be able to annotate the music while I’m writing for drafts and for sharing with others for their comments, each annotated spot having its own unique text. Cobbling together a new Playing Technique for every annotation is impractical.

Staff text with distinctive formatting is ok for occasional use, but the way collision avoidance works with staff text makes it crazy when you want to, say, point out shifting harmonies in an internal voice over a couple of consecutive bars. And though you can move staff text in Engrave mode, you can’t see the new position as you Write (same is true for lines).

Comments work well for stuff you want to review later but since they don’t appear on the music they don’t for detailed annotations.

I see, no good suggestion, I’m afraid.

Jesper

You could create a paragraph style with avoid collisions turned off, and create a shortcut for it.

Jesper

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Thanks again, and see below for my experience with your further suggestion.

I think I’ve spent enough time and energy on my imaginary on-the-fly, arbitrary text callouts/annotations—notes to oneself and one’s collaborators, directly on the music, with arbitrary positioning, and with lines that point to the music they annotate. They don’t seem to be possible via practical workarounds. The “lines” feature and/or staff text and/or maybe the comments could be made (by the developers) to serve but that’s not helpful in the current moment. For today, I’m going to stop Dorico’ing and go back to music-ing, making such annotations as I can with staff text in its current form.
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It’s not that I want collisions, I was just pointing out that when you add staff text to multiple nearby items, Dorico’s Write mode flings each successive text higher and higher above the staff, making it harder and harder to tell which item any given text is attached to. You can click a text to see a faint orange line, but that’s a nuisance and anyway that line is pretty faint. I’d like the ability to position annotations-with-connecting-lines on the fly in Write mode, but I’d be satisfied if there were just connecting lines.

(Also, from what I can tell, the “Avoid collisions” option is only available in Engrave mode on selected staff next, and isn’t a feature you can specify in the Paragraph Styles box—and it doesn’t affect how things look in Write mode, which is where I want to see the annotations. In Write mode you can flip staff text but placement is otherwise automatic regardless of the state of “Avoid collisions” in Engrave mode. As far as I can tell.)

It does affect how things look in Page View, but not in Galley/Fill view.

Not so – look at @jesele’s post above. (I’m not sure if this was added in D6.)

I don’t think this is true either. You do have to go to Engrave mode to position the text, but the text then retains that position in Write mode, in both Galley and Page view.

Engrave:

Page:

Galley:

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