Dear users,
Why is this slur not correctly attached?
test.dorico (1.4 MB)
What I want to achieve is as follows:
I don’t think I’m doing something wrong.
I really appreciate any help you can provide.
If you keep only the top note in the eighth notes, the slur behaves normally. The middle ties must be somehow interfering… If you enter the other notes of the chords in the lower voice, it works:
test (5).dorico (1,4 Mo)
(I entered them as quarter notes in tuplets, to avoid double hooks.)
Depending on your settings in Engraving, this is actually correct. There are Engraving options (Ctrl-Shift-E) to specify if a slur ends on the first note or last note of a tie. There are also options on whether it starts on the first note of a tie or on the last note of a tie (if the first note of the slur is a tied note). If you only need a one-time change, select the slur, open the properties panel (ctrl-8) and make the change there.
The fact is that in this specific configuration, the End on First Note option is ineffective, as @prko was pointing out. I tried it both on the OP’s project and on an blank new project. So to reproduce the notation (from Brahms, btw), you have to cheat, unless I’m mistaken!
One could move the slur in Engrave Mode, but it seems better to me to try to place it correctly, on the right notes, in Write Mode.
Actually, it looks like the option doesn’t work as soon as there are more notes at the end of the tied chain than at the beginning.
This works:
This also works:
But not this:
The file you’ve attached has the Engraving options set to end on the last note in the tie chain. That needs to be changed. Then click the note you want the slur to start on, then ctrl-click the last note where you want the tie to end (in this case the first note of the tie chain). Press S. It works for me. No cheating involved. Oh, turn off any changes made in the properties panel.
I suspect a buglet here. Dorico’s normal behaviour is that the properties will allow an override of whatever is set as default in the options. It should make no difference which particular option is set as the default.
There was a similar question some weeks ago
It also reminds me Pro-tip with ties, slurs and chords involved…
What happens, if the c below the e is added after having dealt with the ties and slurs, with q enabled?
(I think @Janus is right there in calling this a buglet. It probably should be easier for the user to achieve this notation)
Maybe I’m missing something. In the project provided by the OP, if you click on the first note then ctrl-click on the note where you want the slur to end then press S, it works for me every time (with the engraving settings as previously mentioned). I’m not sure how much easier it can be. What am I missing?
That you have to set the engraving option, which will affect every instance of a slur over a tie, whereas this might be the only exception to that rule.
I don’t think we are arguing that it is not possible. Rather, that it does not behave the same as all the other options/property switches.
Thanks for noticing that. Indeed, I confess I hadn’t tried the general option, since the result is normally the same, as @Janus pointed out. But even with the option, something strange happens, because if you use the Properties Panel to override it, you can’t then go back. You have to delete the slurs and re-enter them if you want them to stop on the first note:
And the general option might not be wished, because elsewhere in the sonata the slurs end at the end of the chain.
It seems to work like that — though I was sure I had tried it yesterday. I must have done something wrong!
Thank you for your kind answer!