Will the magnificent Nuendo 14 be here soon?

Cubase 14 trial period over. Lots of projects to get started with the new writing module and new functions (including clip gain). Will the magnificent Nuendo 14 be here soon?

3 Likes

Thatā€™s what stop me to test that Cubase 14 trial period, i would have been addict to the new tools especially for the 14 version and then had to wait for the release to continue started projectā€¦

Many time talks but one day they should consider giving Nuendo users a re-full Cubase triad period to the officially release of Nuendoā€¦ Or at least a little longerā€¦

3 Likes

Youā€™re quite right. Or to include the Cubase license in the Nuendo license. When you have Nuendo, thereā€™s zero reason to use Cubase, except for this period.

Itā€™s not so bad in general, though. But this time, itā€™s important and itā€™s a bit long. I thought that with the Nammā€¦

2 Likes

Cubase is the beta version of Nuendo. At least 14.0.10 is not ready for commercial use and if they still have issues with 14.0.20 they can not release Nuendo. However it would be a good thing to get out a new beta.

2 Likes

Or to simply say itā€™s not ready. The problem is a bit of silent waiting. If itā€™s not ready, we think about something else. If itā€™s ready tomorrow morning, itā€™s different. As I was saying, itā€™s not a whim, itā€™s a question of knowing what weā€™re starting new projects with, because things like the new clip gain and the new Dorico-style score module are not compatible with earlier versions.

1 Like

Really??
Our clients are going to be fuming when they read your opinion and then find out that weā€™ve successfully completed their projects using Cubase 14.0.10.

What is your hour rate? Do you have to pay your clients or personal good money when the studio is not running?

I donā€™t run C14 but I donā€™t think it is factually ā€˜not ready for commercial useā€™. What makes you say that?
Also: Letā€™s keep it civil people. No need make things personal.

1 Like

A lot of major bugs. Check out the Cubase forum for that. And that is not strange. It is the usual Steinberg way. Use cubase to smoke out the bugs before Nuendo are released. And I donā€™t mind doing that, but Steinberg should have a lot higher tempo fixing bugs. C14 is in may way a very good update and will be good for N14 as too, but they need to fix the bugs first.

2 Likes

Everything has bugs. The question is actually if those bugs impact your work in any meaningful way. I use Cubase 14 (in addition to Nuendo 13) and Cubase 14 is the best Cubase release in years, and yes, while there are bugs (and always will be bugs), they donā€™t meaningfully impact what Iā€™m doing. Cubase 14.0.10 is already ready for production for the majority of people IMO. By 14.0.20 it will be even more so, and Nuendo will of course benefit from that. By 14.0.30 or 14.0.40 it might reach someone elseā€™s needs (maybe for you too?), and yes probably for some other people it will never solve their problems, in which case, they can perhaps consider some other DAW, which will alsoā€¦ haveā€¦ plenty of bugsā€¦

A microcosm of users where plenty of the bug reports are user error or the fault of third party plugins or hardware, with a post-to-reality ratio that is distorted from whatā€™s actually going on in the world, since the vast majority of users donā€™t bother visiting and are carrying on using the software. And again, yes, while there are always going to be bugs ā€“ Iā€™m not denying that at all of course ā€“ you may have noticed there is no widespread furious outcry about some major show-stopping bugs this release cycle. Itā€™s actually relatively calm and cool this time.

All developers do this to some degree or another. Steinberg is no different in that regard. Some years better than others. This release cycle, Steinberg is doing better than in the past IMO. You are obviously welcome to disagree with me thoughā€¦ especially if you are facing a bug that is particularly problematic for your workflows (in which case I hope they solve it ASAP!). But I submit that Steinberg has done pretty well by any standard this release cycle. In fact, Iā€™ll give another kudos to them for C14 and I sure hope they keep up the good work like this in the future.

How much higher tempo? 10%? 33%? 75%? Whatā€™s an acceptable tempo? I think Steinberg is actually showing a demonstrably better development process this release cycle than in the past. So compared to Cubase 13, Iā€™d say theyā€™re already 41.5% better with their release quality and bug fixing tempo! Sure, thereā€™s more to do, but what bugs are you personally dealing with that are preventing your usage in a meaningful way?

Not only that, Iā€™ve seen Steinberg team members interacting quite regularly in the forum lately, bravo to them! This is the Steinberg I have been hoping for. Letā€™s hope they stay at this level! Goodness gracious!

So on this point we do agree for sureā€¦ I want a super solid Nuendo 14 too, so Iā€™m with you that Steinberg is hopefully spending a lot of resources on squashing bugs right now. :crossed_fingers:

Cheers!

5 Likes

I will admit, as a user of both Cubase and Nuendo, I will say that those two features are indeed really worth the wait. I am definitely eager to have those in N14, among some other great new C14 features.

But patience is a virtue!

Just hang in thereā€¦ you already know that youā€™re going to get the C14 features, and theyā€™re definitely improvements worth your upgrade money. Whatā€™s another month or two? If you canā€™t wait, and get done what you need to get done with what you already have, maybe take a moment and consider all the great Grammy- and Academy- award winning productions and scores produced with vastly inferior tools, and those tools were more than enough to make mind-blowing productions that still set the standard for today.

Judge the situation by your own work, not by the tools you have to make it, and then get going on your projects now, and eventually Nuendo 14 will be released! Stay positive and listen to your creative muse, and donā€™t worry about the features you donā€™t have YET, but will soon.

And if that mindset still doesnā€™t work for you, then use the Cubase 14 trial for 60 days until Nuendo comes out!

TBH, a lot of these bugs are not really bugs, just incompatibilities with some systems and the general user error.
I had the ā€œcrash on exit bugā€ right after I bought C14 in December, unless I did an update session for the majority of my third party plugins. That solved the problem.

It is of course dependent on what you do. I use controllers a lot, and that is totally fucked up. And it was added to 13 too. Steinberg have also acked this but not fixed it. And this hilarious that it even get out of the development phase. They have test cases for such a fundamental parts a loading states from session to session. And it is not only controller that fails on that.

Some other developers do automatic regression testing. It is not easy for task that do audio-quality things. But for logics it is doable. And Steinberg have had a lot of quality issues that should be covered by test cases.

Usually a good way to keep development going is to have regular releases that is on a public schedule.

Sometimes yes. Sometimes they stay hidden not even ack nor nack bugs and no public tracker.

These kind words make me laugh a little (with all due respect). Sure, I can keep working (with my N13, PT, Samplitude, Reaper) and Iā€™m not going to throw myself off the bridge. But the tool is important, and every craftsman includes this element when configuring his workshop before starting a project. For example, Iā€™m a Dorico user and transferring C14 to Dorico (in XLM, in fact, but with adjustments) is important, as my projects are in Dolby Atmos with many beds, which C14 canā€™t do. But of course I existed before C14 and Iā€™m not dead. Iā€™m talking about a strategic point and youā€™ve come back to me with a great musico-existential lesson. I say this cordially, uarte. I read you often and I appreciate you.

p.s. Despite the announcement of 60 days, it seems to me that it was 30 days that I had with C14ā€¦

Sorry to hear youā€™re dealing with controller problems. I hope you can get those issues resolved soon. I donā€™t see a lot of angry outcry about it, but if youā€™re directly impacted, then I hope things get solved for you.

I donā€™t have any issues with controllers right now BTW, but my use case is obviously different than yours, and I will assume I donā€™t use them as much as you do, or at least in the same way you do.

Indeed, totally dependent on what you do.

However, when youā€™re making the case for a larger point, when you say some sweeping generalization like there are ā€œa lot of major bugsā€, you reduce your own argumentative credibility by not stating specific examples and how they are impacting you specifically. My point is on a broader level that this release cycle is quite good, especially compared to C13. But YMMV of course depending on what you need.

I think thatā€™s another sweeping generalization. You also donā€™t know what test cases and regression testing Steinberg has in their process, and again, if weā€™re comparing to other DAW developers, I can think of several major developers that trip over themselves in bad mistakes on a regular basis. I have most of the DAWs on the market, Cubase is on the better side of the curve in this regard, especially this round.

Again, Iā€™m not ignoring the issues that Cubase does have, and again, Iā€™m hoping your issues get resolved soon!

I would like a public tracker too. That would be nice. But Steinberg hasnā€™t done that as far back as I can remember, and we all know that itā€™s probably not going to happen. But I do agree it would be a nice thing. Not many DAW developers do that BTW. So I doubt weā€™re ever going to get fully public bug tracking, or even quasi-open Reaper-level public pre-release cycles with Steinberg. It ainā€™t gonna happen. Steinberg is still Steinberg. So I personally just accept that and move on with life. But yes, itā€™s a good idea. Maybe Daniel will implement that if heā€™s ever promoted to CEO of Steinberg one day. :wink:

I try to be an optimist and a realist at the same time, and it manifests in different ways sometimes. No disrespect taken!

Thank goodness. That would be an overreaction for sure!

Fair enough, and I appreciate you too!

And Iā€™m not trying to come back at you with some musico-existential lesson (pretty neat term there, Iā€™ll say you coined it, itā€™s a good one!), but rather just with an optimistic reality check. Call it what you want though. And to be clear, my comment was not intended to lecture you though, and I apologize if it came off like that in any way.

And believe me, Iā€™ve been in a situation similar to what you describe many times, I believe I know the feeling you are expressing.

My adaptation to that situation is to approach it with a dose of reality and optimism. If I were in your case (based on the limited info you have shared), Iā€™m not sure Iā€™d want to start a project with a fresh new Nuendo release anyway, this close to a new release.

I would personally probably stick with my old workflows and then consider transitioning to the new system later on, after the project is done, or at least after Nuendo 14 had much more time to mature and when I could thoroughly test it. For example, in this case, if itā€™s a paid major project, I personally would start with Nuendo 13 now and force myself to exist in a world where Nuendo 14 isnā€™t going to be an option until Iā€™m done with this project.

Iā€™d just try to ignore that it exists for now, and concentrate on the project. Thereā€™s no objective way to tell what showstopping issues I might encounter with a new, as-yet-unreleased Nuendo 14, and I wouldnā€™t have time to deal with anything once I start up a major new project. A good Cubase 14 right now is no guarantee that Nuendo 14.0.20 will be ready for production on an important job IMO, at least for me. Better to stick with N13 IMO.

This is one reason why I have both Cubase and Nuendo, and I sort of have a higher risk tolerance for Cubase projects (but yet I get to benefit from new features), but I have a LOW risk tolerance for Nuendo projects. So even if Nuendo 14 comes out tomorrow (and Iā€™d upgrade my license tomorrow), thereā€™s no way itā€™s actually going into production for me on active projects right away.

Anyway, thatā€™s how Iā€™d likely handle it, but I also understand the frustration that there are empirically helpful new features that are just on the cusp of coming out for you, and their benefit would be measurable if you could have them ASAP. I get it.

Wish you the best in your decision, and cheers!

1 Like

uarte you saying that you take the benefit from new feature of cubase 14 because you have both updated Cubase and Nuendo licence, if I understand correctly :slightly_smiling_face:

But Mute at the beginning of the topic said that he started projects with the Cubase trial period, and now he is ā€œstuckā€ because the trial is over and he will have to wait the release of new Nuendo 14 to continue his project.

Personally i think with the new licensing activation manager, Steinberg should be able to make some kind of special deal to Nuendo user with special extra time Cubase trial periodā€¦
Or maybe i am wrong their activation manager is a really complicate thing to organizeā€¦

I own both licence for Cubase and Nuendo but stop to update Cubase license for few years now, as i donā€™t want to pay twice for the same thingā€¦

So at the end i stay focus to only what i have to not get distracted, but itā€™s a topic that come so often years after years each time have big new release, as i said before (my 2 cents) with new licensing system Steinberg could maybe bring something different ?
So with futures times i hope that Steinberg will find something (without pay for 2 licenses) that can make every body happy in producing with the latest goodies.

1 Like

We agree (and Iā€™m not surprised).

1 Like

Yes. I have several reasons for doing so, long story, not just to have the early new features of Cubase.

I think this is a good idea.

Smart IMO

I hope so, that would make a lot of sense!

2 Likes

Good thinking. Iā€™m like you: I stopped updating Cubase with the Nuendo purchase. I think there should be a free pass for Nuendo people. Or something more accommodating.

5 Likes