A dedicated staff for bar numbers used in Film Scoring conductor's score

Now I’m trying to create a template for film scoring and have a small question. Sometimes you see a full score which has a dedicated staff for bar numbers. Finale was able to create this, do you think there is a way to do the same thing with Dorico?

At this point my answer is no, now I’m looking for another way to make it like this.

I guess those who are interested in creating this kind of film scoring template want to know it, I’d appreciate it if you could share your ideas here. Thanks!

260130_Film Scoring Template_Large Bar Num.dorico (3.0 MB)

Don’t know if any improvements, but here are two options.

Jesper

260130_Film Scoring Template_Large Bar Num_edited2.dorico (3.0 MB)

260130_Film Scoring Template_Large Bar Num_edited.dorico (3.0 MB)

Opacity on bar rests.

Covering the rests.

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@dan_kreider shared his method for this recently, perhaps this is also helpful:

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Thank you very much, this is awesome! I’ve checked what you might have done and try to write down all the procedure as shown below.

1. To create a measure number dedicated staff

  • Go to Setup Mode, add one player.

  • Right-click on the newly created Empty-handed Player and choose “Create Empty Kit”.

  • Click on “+” button on the left bottom, add two instruments.

  • Go to “Grid” on the left top, choose the upper instrument’s name and change the “Gap” value from 2 (default) to 4.

  • Click on “Apply” to close the Edit Percussion Kit dialog. (Then you will see a 2-line staff with bar rests, percussion clef and two instrument names. )

  • Select the bar rest of the first measure and press Shift + M, type your time signature with parenthesis like “(4/4)”, then press the “single” icon in the right end of the popup window, then hit the return key. (Then you can hide the time signature only the staff selected. )

  • Go to Write Mode and choose all the bar rests, go to “Lower Zone > Common and check the “Color”, change the transparency from 100% (default) to 0% to make them invisible.

  • Choose instrument names and hit the return key to open the Edit Instruments Names dialog, delete all the names.

  • Go to “Engraving Options > Barlines > Design > Barlines on percussion kits using grid presentation type: “, change the “Minimum barline protrusion: “ value from 1 space (default) to 0, then press “Apply” button to close the dialog.

2. To show large bar numbers

  • Go to Paragraph Styles > Bar number (score) and change the font size from 9.0pt (default) to around 18.0pt.

  • Go to the Layout Option > Bar Numbers > Frequency” and choose “Every Bar” Centered on bar”.

  • In the Layout Option > Bar Numbers > Placement”, make sure that only “Percussion” is selected, and “Placement relative to system” are all unchecked.

  • Set appropriate values in “Minimum distance from staff: ” and “Minimum distance from other items: “. (Most likely around -4 to -5. )

  • In “Showing and Hiding”, check the top four selection;

    • Show bar numbers at rehearsal marks
    • Show bar numbers at time signatures shown above the staff
    • Show first bar number when shown every bar
    • Show bar number at start of system for bar split over break

You could hide the clef to select the first measure and then select a blank clef via “Right Zone > Clef > Uncommon Clef”, but doing so would mean that the key signature would also appear on the staff dedicated to measure numbers when transposed, so it’s probably best to leave it at the default percussion clef as you did.

BTW with this method, probably as you already know, it seems you’d have to manually set the bar rests that appear when you add or insert measures to transparency. If you can’t select only the bar rests in the specified range, you can first select everything, including those outside the specified range, change the transparency to something other than 0%, and then set it back to 0% to set the transparency of all bar rests in the selected range to 0%.

If you don’t want to spend your time to set the invisible bar rests manually, then “…edited.dorico”, which use bar numbers with white background set in the Paragraph Style dialog, would be the option. I like this idea too, those two are perfect answer for me.

I guess maybe we could set the “Minimum barline protrusion” value at around 2+1/2 to make barlines clearer.

260130_Film Scoring Template_Large Bar Num_edited_b.dorico (3.0 MB)

I think you got it. Glad if it helped. With a white background on the 2-line version, easy to cover the staff lines also, so you have to experiment with font size and such.

Jesper

@Zalde Thank you, this is a great way to make it as well. I guess a film scoring template introduced in Dorico Film Score Template thread takes this way.

The only small thing I mind is when the bar width is pretty narrow there are a bit too many vertical lines in a page (two line in a bar), but maybe it won’t happen so often. It’s pretty easy to set it up, so I think this is definitely an option.

260130_Film Scoring Template_Large Bar Num_edited3.dorico (3.0 MB)

Yep will do, thanks again!

You could reduce the minimum padding for the bar number enclosure, or set the enclosure type to none in Layout Options, and add a border to the paragraph style instead.

Jesper

Or just a white background.

With a condensed font. Myriad Pro semibold condensed here.

Now, all you have to do is write the music. :grinning_face:

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Oh yes, this looks much better. Thank you very much for additional ideas!

Also, no need to hide the bar rests.

Jesper

Right. I think the good thing of this idea is that this is much easier to set than the first-mentioned Finale style, still effective, and has a wide possibility to fine tune as you showed above. I think this could be a new standard.

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@jesele @Zalde Here are the latest version of the blank template, anyone can freely use and improve them. Thank you very much for your kind supports!

1023257:3_Film Scoring Template_Large Bar Num_v3.dorico (1.9 MB)

1023257:3_Film Scoring Template_Large Bar Num_v2.dorico (1.9 MB)

1023257:3_Film Scoring Template_Large Bar Num_v1.dorico (2.0 MB)

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