Cubase 13 - Any word on new update cycle?

I, for one, don’t want them to rush Cubase 13 or Nuendo 13. I’d rather Steinberg take this opportunity of the “reset” of their sales schedule, to get on really solid footing with a killer version 13 with a complete focus on core feature and workflow and totally rock solid reliability.

I know they need revenue, but the old yearly cycle was not optimal IMO, and some features in past years would not get as much love as they really needed before release, and Steinberg would have to spend too much time bringing them up to production level later on. I’d rather they spend the time to solidify everything BEFORE release this time.

And honestly, who wants their DAW to be in a “feature-race” with other DAWs? That just makes for sloppy work and poor design for everything. I’m happy that Fender hasn’t dismantled Studio One’s team and they are still creating pretty good software, and I’m happy that Avid now has 500,000 subscribers, good for them. But it sure would be great if a DAW maker just focused on quality, quality, quality. Instead of rush rush rush, more, more more, cloud, cloud, cloud, crap, crap, crap, subscription, subscription, subscription.

Anyway, I get Steinberg has to make money. But with the new licensing system behind them now, maybe just focus on core features, make them bullet-proof, and for godsakes, please give us true RIPPLE EDITING after all these years. And please, no one tell me how they already do ripple editing right now. I know all the tricks. We need TRUE ripple editing. Not workarounds.

And for those Cubase users that think there’s a DAW race going on, and you think your music is better with more more more features, the problem is NOT the DAW. It’s the skill and talent of the operator. More creative music was made in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s with 8- or 16-track reel-to-reel machines, a few outboard effects boxes, and some great musicianship and real creativity than the vast majority of the crap produced today. All the modern DAWs are enough to make a masterpiece.

But nowadays, every DAW has to hold your hands with music theory, endless plugins, beatmaking tools, pitch correction, performance correction, correction this, correction that, AI crap, and a million other things to compensate for people’s actual SKILL, and that’s fine for those that want it, and I’m not trying to be an old grouch about it, but how about a solid, consistent, robust, set of core tools that works great, loads fast, looks good, is intuitive and doesn’t have glaring bugs? That’s the Cubase 13 I want. And I hope they’re building it. No offense to anyone who doesn’t know a G major chord from a G string.

And again, for all that is holy in the Universe, can we PLEASE get real, perfectly executed ripple editing? I’ll pay a $200 upgrade fee just for that in Cubase. And a $350 upgrade fee for my Nuendo license too.

Cheers and again, no offense intended.

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I am sitting here, a lonesome evening and I feel so bored. So bored that I cannot create any music - just because of my boredom. So what am I to do tonight? AHHHHH - great idea, I can chime in to the anual speculation about release dates that always comes paired with “I have no problem” and “The current version is sh*t - so fix it!”. It is like singing the same christmas songs every year, a rock solid tradition here on the forum. I must confess, though: I do like christmas MUCH MORE than THIS tradition - even though this tradition of endless speculation helps to survive those oh so boring evenings… ;oD

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Oh … I just forgot: TIme to speculate about Cubase for Linux, which noone really needs. But we do have to have it. Hopefully with C 13 :smiley:

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Everyone will benefit much more if they just read some more theory or tutorials on music production, rather than waiting for a new version of a DAW. As said previously, amazing music was made 50 or 60 years ago, using basic hardware. I usually update cubase every two years and just focus on general music production theory

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I’m new-ish to Steinberg, got Nuendo when Nuendo 11 came out and have been using it strictly for audio post since then.

I’m curious, has Steinberg ever released a version that focused solely on workflow improvements, stability, “modernizing”, etc? Or has it always been big new and roughly developed features that they like to advertise on their homepage?

I want the workflow improvement / quality core features update too - whats the likelihood of this? Have they ever done that?

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Agree.
Making music is an art and a skill. Too many people are rather experimenting in Cubase and hoping for results than investing in fundamental knowledge …
But I guess that a large portion of the Cubase users are ‘dreamers’ rather than talented and skilled musicians or technicians. (and there is as such nothing wrong with that).

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Indeed. Ultimate clue: external hardware management was never implemented again. In 2023 it’s still impossible to save the settings in the project which remain “global”. Anyone who works with iron stuff knows what I’m talking about.

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“And for those Cubase users that think there’s a DAW race going on…”

Thats pretty much what has happened for the past 20 years…at least! Marketing. Its the new sales that count.

I think lots of users, including myself want what you desire. It could happen. Are you willing to pay around 1k-2k for it? I dont think most, who desire that paradigm are willing to pay for it.

And there is a huge difference between thise who claim they will in writing…and those actually putting out their money.

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Most of us are music producers and composers - we don’t want to be geeks; we want to make music. Many of us have a backlog of projects so technical problems interfere with our work,

It’s Steinberg/Cubase’s job to work smoothly with Windows, USB, etc. I have the entire Adobe Creative Cloud suite, Visual Studio, Android Studio, and two other DAWs. All of these are big complicated programs with lots of system, driver, USB, plug-in/add-on and other interactions. Once in a while all of them will have problems but all of them put together have not wasted anywhere near as much of my time as Cubase with glitchy technical problems.

I’m still on CB 11 because I’m still hearing too much bad news about CB 12. I don’t care if they do a maintenance release on 12 or just go to 13, but Cubase needs to prioritize stability and system compatibility over features until they get it right.

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The only thing that’s stopping me from making music is problems with Cubase. I have a backlog of scores to write/compose and I can’t do it if Cubase won’t behave itself.

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I’m in LA. Pretty sure that when I walk into the Steinberg area at Namm on April 13, there’ll be something newer than Halion 7.

Of course…that could mean Spectralayers Pro 10.

Or …the new 16/32 motorized fader Cubase/Nuendo controller priced at 5 grand :slight_smile:

Or maybe…a T shirt.

At any rate, if no biggie news by April 13…at least Namm reappears 9 months later in January 2024. That’ll enable another round of guesses.

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i wonder, so if steinberg really stop releasing 0.5 versions so next updates would be 13,14,etc maybe they also will release it in every 1.5 year cycle instead of 1 year ?
before , updating to new +1 version was about 100$ and to +0.5 version was 50$ from previous version , meaning 250$ in 3 years. ( or 200$ depends ! )
so maybe now they will release update every 1.5 years and charge 125$ for big +1 version update so it makes 250$ for updates in 3 years like before ?
(well another speculation to add to the endless speculations :smirk: )

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Interesting.

Yes, and it might even be 1.3 years, and each update costing 133.00 USD, with special consideration for grace period eligible customers, who would receive a 17.3% rebate on the VAT portion of the purchase – pending legislation – which would come to .03% savings overall. When you amortize over lightyears it’s actually cheaper to buy fresh.

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you spot it, that was exactly my next intended post

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Great :slight_smile: - so you dont have time to contribute to useless forum-threads that speculate again about Cubase Release dates and -cycles :smiley:

They could move to a bitwig type model where you buy the product once, receive a perpetual license and after that just pay for the (12 month) update plan as required and you get all latest updates over that time.

Takes away all the grace period shenanigans, and places priority on improving the product so that people update throughout the year, rather the annual sales drive merry-go-round.

That’s a shame the only thing that stops me making music with C12.0.52 is using Ga5se vsti , totally crashes but without, Cubase is very useable , not perfect but useable ,we need stability , im too lazy to go back to C12.0.50 as i think that was the most stable version and i do believe .0.60 will be out later this/next month

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It’s not like you can’t make music if you don’t have new versions all the time.
I don’t need new plugins - I just want the built-in stuff to work correctly.

We are digitizing analog sound carriers and need German designations for this. Now Nuendo N12 cannot currently handle German special characters ä ö ü when importing text files for event names. And that although Steinberg is in Germany.
Because we reported this error, we are also waiting for it to be corrected in N13. Broken characters when importing text files are circumstances that mess up our work considerably.

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I wonder how the BETA testing is going lol

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Count yourself lucky – among the many things that stop me making music are a lack of talent, limited musical ability, zero imagination and endless distraction on internet forums.

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