Ctrl is used extensively in Cubase and pretty much all other desktop software for selecting multiple objects: select multiple tracks, parts, or most list controls. The dialog also says ‘Select one or multiple articulations’
No, it’s not. You can select parts and events additionally by using Ctrl/Cmd. You can select additional tracks as well.
I’d say it is the other way round: If Ctrl/Cmd does not allow to expand a selection I would consider this to be a poor or faulty design.
Yes, CTRL should be there agree, but dont expect that EVERYONE understand CTRL will work in a narrow feature like an Expression Map Setup window. We are not in the general DAW workspace area. That is the point I am making. You may sometime do well to test the UX a bit more and what interaction options you provide.
Personally I think you are exaggerating.
Just my opinion as a fellow customer.
We’ve got the functionality to specify multiple articulations per slot. It would be nice to make that more discoverable, while also following common UI patterns. Until we’ve got further specific ideas, we’ll leave it as is.
Well this is the time to provide the feedback to the Steinberg team, when they finetune the Cubase 15 release. Reminder: Not every feedback will be for you either.
Than you Stefan for understanding where my UX feedback comes from. Good luck with exploring any improvements further.
Feedback is nice but if it is build upon wrong observations or assumptions it becomes pointless.
You stated that the Ctrl key is not commonly used to expand selections and I responded with examples that countered your statement.
That’s really all there is to it.
What are you doing? I never stated CTRL was not commonly used, you seem try to change what I am saying. Please stop. What I try to say it is not always that obvious that you can use CTRL (in certain situations in a software) and it might be wise to explore UX improvements further.
You have opinions, so do I. Respect that. It is up to the dev team to analyze UX feedback in these threads and find appropriate solutions.
Please respect my posts as well.
Good news: this will be my last response to this topic. If you want to have the final word… knock yourself out.
Another thing that would be nice is Expression Map versioning where you can resave different versions of the same expression map (saved in the expression map file).
Has this been explored yet when looking into improving the Expression map list?
Hi Steinberg folks,
Thanks so much for your improvements to expression maps and your openness to ideas to expanding them further!
My top request is easier ways to assign playing style to already-recorded notes. (I mostly use attributes style, but would be great if this worked for directions too). For example:
- Select notes in key editor
- Click on playing style in sounds slots list in inspector
- Result: Articulation is assigned to to style in clicked sound slot.
Or:
- Select notes in key editor
- Press shortcut key for slot e.g 7
- Result: Notes are assigned to expression map slot 7
It would be a huge help for editing already recorded MIDI, as well as for drawing MIDI by hand, and experimenting with different articulations.
Cheers!
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There is the Articulation field in the Info Line of the Key Editor. Doesn’t that do what you request here?
No, that only allows you to add attributes to the note.
And depending on how the map is set up (how many groups etc), you might need to do multiple entries in order to trigger a specific sound slot, so being able to choose the sound slot to insert those multiple entries at once would be a very useful feature.
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Yes, exactly. I select via info line dropdown but click-assign and key commands to assign would be a massive improvement.
One more little request —
I’ve been searching for a solution to the frustrating problem in Cubase of not being able to adjust track delay in milliseconds for multiple tracks at once either from the inspector or via the logical editor.
The wonderful new attack compensation feature in expression maps could be use to do this “on the fly” by making a map with several different offsets. But when I tested it, the applied attack compensation didn’t work for multiple tracks at once.
It would be great if my previous requests for shortcuts to apply sounds slots to notes via the UI and shortcut keys also followed the part editing mode in the Key Editor. So triggering the shortcut applied to all selected notes when part editing mode is set to All Parts.
Thanks!
I haven’t used the all parts editing mode so I’m not sure I understand this entirely, but keep in mind too that you might select parts that have a completely different map applied to them, and in that case you’d have to determine what to do.
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Yes, of course different maps for different instruments would be a factor. But for instruments that have the same articulations in the same slots, it would be great if it were possible to change multiple tracks at once.
Most of the time I work with single track per articulation (though with new features I may revisit this approach!). My idea was to make a single map that I could add to any track that doesn’t actually change any articulations/playing styles, but only makes use of the attack compensation feature to adjust offsets and keep my MIDI on the grid. Slots with -20ms, -40ms, -60ms and so on.
I’m not so sure. You might have the “same articulations” in the same slots, but there are some combinations of articulations that, depending on how the map is set up, may cause a change in what you are hearing or what slot is being triggered to be a slot you don’t want. Also if you are choosing a slot, there is nothing to connect a particular slot in one map with a slot in another map.
I wouldn’t see much harm in this if the maps were identical, but if they weren’t an exact match I don’t think this would be a good idea.
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I would just like to have the option to choose how I want to use maps, depending on library and context, which is why I suggested they make this hypothetical feature follow the part editing mode, so that if the user wants to be sure not to mistakenly change non-active parts, they can set the part editing mode to Active Part.
For some libraries like Cinematic Studio Strings, where most of the instrument groups have the same articulations and it is possible to set up maps where each slot works the same way, it would be nice to be able to adjust settings (e.g. make all notes con sordino) with one click or key command, rather than five clicks plus five key commands or dropdown menu selections to change which part is active.