I am making a set of similar arrangements of the same piece so I used a “Save as” to just make a copy, delete the contents and rename it to the new version. I’m sure I’m going to get a lecture about why ensemble templates are better (yeah yeah yeah), but this still shouldn’t be happening:
During playback, despite the fact that all pitches and other data have been completely deleted and an entirely new arrangement has been created, when I get to a certain measure (m34), a line from the old version plays, despite being deleted. While there are no pitches notated, when I go to the “Play” tab, that line (and that line only) appears in the midi roll. It does not seem to be deletable. Any fixes or explanations?
Yes, I tried inserting random notes into that area with hopes it would overwrite whats on the midi roll.
One of the principles in Dorico is that you can only select what’s visible on screen. If there’s music in hidden staves, it won’t be affected, even if you choose Select All. This also applies to hidden signposts.
This can happen if you used divisi, put some notes in the second part, then removed the divisi. This removes the notes from the visible score, and global delete operations won’t delete them. But they are still there.
It is also possible to use the System Track to select the complete contents of those bars (34-37). After doing that, shift-click in bar 34 of the Guitar part to de-select those notes before pressing Delete.
There are flows, yes, lets call them vertical units, and there are players with instruments and possibly divisi staves. These are all horizontal units.
So if you just delete a vertical unit, why should Dorico at the same time delete a horizontal unit?
It is part of the global structure and the way Dorico is designed, that you keep these things logically apart.
I am sure someone with a better conduct of the English language can explain this in a more understandable way…
There’s a few threads you’ve posted in where some of the Dorico team have interacted with you (i.e. you’re aware that they read these posts), and I know that your scenario is a nuisance, but do you honestly think that “lazy” is the best word to use?
No, flows have nothing to do with it, I was talking about selecting musical objects on staves. It would be quite bad if Dorico assumed you’d want a destructive (or any) action to extend to objects that you didn’t explicitly select. That’s not lazy programming, it’s very logical. If you lose track of your hidden objects (don’t we all experiment from time to time), you can always choose to show signposts for them.
Yep. I’ve paid for what…4 updates now? And the program remains feeling like it’s in “beta”. Even this week I had to reinstall everything, losing all my saved preferences, because playback stopped working. This wasn’t the first time.
Every time I point out something buggy, with flawed design logic, horrendous UI, or even things that are completely broken, I get 5 people trying to tell me “it’s a feature”.
I’m sorry but this is one of the more ridiculous ones. If it’s hidden I can’t select it, I guess I get that… but it’s still gonna play back???
Also I never confirmed that it was ever hidden. I just said it’s possible. I actually don’t think I did hide a staff with content on it because I usually don’t do that.
Can you say more, @jzimn? Are you saying it’s bug-riddled? Not fully conceived?
Yikes. If you’re losing your preferences, it sounds like you’ve got something serious going on that’s specific to your computer/installation. (FWIW, I’ve for one have never experienced that problem.) That would warrant a separate thread so someone from the Dorico team can get diagnostic reports from you to assist.
You seem intent on dismissing your fellow forum-users as “chump-apologists” for Dorico, which may not be the best way to solicit others’ generosity in assisting you.
I see many users reporting what seems to be buggy behavior, and I see the Dorico team responding to those reports, both here in the forum and when I read each new release’s “Issues Resolved” section of the Version History. Do you have an example of anyone here telling you an actual bug is a “feature?”
Here’s a great example of @dspreadbury posting a thread for an “urgent” set of fixes:
[EDIT/ADDITION:] Here’s another great example of this forum in action:
…which ends with the following, just in minutes ago:
These judgements are categorically distinct from bugs. Designers make choices, both fundamental/structural and UI-related. Each of us likes (aspects of) them or we don’t. We offer feedback when so moved and the designers listen and either dismiss it, “back-burner” it, or put it at the “top of the pile” as they see fit given their design philosophy, marketing considerations, and/or time constraints. Fortunately we users have choices for the software we use.
Well, it’s still there…. (As you probably know, one can, of course, make use of Instrument Filters to isolate playback of select player(s).)If it’s material you absolutely don’t want (as opposed to parts you don’t want to see/hear at any given moment), then deleting it seems like the obvious solution. It would definitely be wise to confirm whether there’s hidden material or not before proceeding, so you and everyone else can approach the problem constructively.
I do hope that you reach out specifically about your lost prefs/crashing problems, as those sorts of experiences are definitely frustrating and leave one ill-disposed towards reflection and generosity towards other aspects of working with software.
Reinstalling the software is not normally the best way to fix anything, precisely because all of your personalisations etc. will be retained when you reinstall, just as they will not be removed by uninstalling. All your personalised data lives safely in your user account folder so that it will be unaffected by installing updates, uninstalling the application, etc.
You must have taken something of a “scorched earth” approach and manually deleted a bunch of things that probably shouldn’t have been deleted in your attempts to fix the problem. I’m sorry about that.
If you run into the situation where Dorico stops playing back in the future, please post here on the forum or contact me directly if you prefer (you can click on my name and then on the Message button to send me a private message, or you can email me at d dot spreadbury at steinberg dot de), and we’ll troubleshoot the problem.
Hi Daniel. The scorched earth approach was the only thing that users reported resolved the issue: it is not isolated to me, and is easily searchable in this very forum. HALion playback was giving errors upon startup, so it wasn’t just playback not working. Reinstalling all of the packs through Steinberg download assistant and other suggestions accomplished nothing and in fact was giving a different set of errors, so I was forced to root through my Mac /Library and remove all traces of anything Steinberg and start from scratch. This resolved the issue. Thanks
If the problem was related to sound content that was incorrectly installed, it would be sufficient to remove the /Library/Application Support/Steinberg/Content/ folder before reinstalling the sound content via Steinberg Download Assistant.
In truth, even that is normally unnecessary in the end: probably the issue relates to the permissions on the subfolders and files within them. If we can get those permissions sorted out, normally everything’s OK thereafter.
I’m sorry that you ended up having to go to such extremes to solve the problem. Please do get in touch if you run into the problem again and we’ll do what we can to help you without requiring such measures.
