No dongle, more than one computer installing and native full screen on Mac and Cubase become the perfection.
I hope we can view this news without paying another update for.
I use to work in Logic Pro X and Studio One. Cubase needs to modernize the points I’ve mentioned.
My point is perhaps if steinberg focused more on one program instead of three versions of cubase, they might get more done and be able to really focus on specific aspects, instead of having to worry about what to add and include with each program. People have reported that they had problems on pro that did not exist on artist, etc.
Not just menu’s are outdated. Many things, I do not really care to go into great detail about it, but lets just say that I personally think Ableton is one of the best daws for what it does. It lacks Key commands and lots of editing features that Cubase has. I used Ableton quite a bit, as well as Machine (Really great and fun, but terribly weak editing)
Cubase is great, but they are not going in a forward direction with the software and they are buggy as hell. I have not reported any bugs lately, but I have had a ton of crashes. Two days ago I loaded retrologue and kept having crashed with Cubase’s own VST. I am burnt out on it.
Anyway, these posts get started because Steinberg should know that it has lost a customer, and more to come in the future I suppose… They will gain more, they will lose more, but if they want to lead, then they need to do that. Lead!
I’m not really sure what the development tools are like for Steinberg to manage the three different versions - I would imagine it’s the same base, with a few things taken out. Does it require a lot of resources? I’m not sure. I would imagine they are all based off Cubase Pro with some limitations coded in.
Sure if you’re doing loop based production… But I’d probably check out Bitwig before Ableton. Bitwig is the only other DAW that has my attention but not because I’d use it as my primiary DAW, I’d use it more of an alternative to or in tandom with Reaktor.
Believe it or not, this could be computer related - not sure though. I was having crashes from the Portico plugins and I happened to be wanting to reformat my PC and do a clean install. After I did, the Portico plugins weren’t crashing anymore.
But perhaps Retrologue isn’t M1 compatible yet? That’s the thing, you changed OS and as @cparmerlee pointed out… Apple is notorious for this. I see this a lot, people pointing finger at the software and not the OS author who is always changing everything and causing issues… Expecting Software developers being able to instantly adapt to that is just not realistic.
That’s like purposely lighting your own house on fire and them blaming the fire department for not getting there soon enough
probably why Melda released this statement
www .meldaproduction .com/tutorials/text/switching-from-osx-to-windows
In he simplest terms, Apple doesn’t do “mission critical.” They have never done “mission critical.” It is not part of their culture, and probably never will be. They do some other things well, but they simply don’t see why anybody would be concerned about reliability and stability. It is a foreign concept to them.
Mission-critical systems were once the exclusive domain of IBM (and to a lesser extent DEC and a few others.) Now, most mission-critical systems are built on a stable LINUX platform and/or Microsoft.
Well I’ve generally heard nothing but how great the new M1s are. Including cubase users. And that’s with Rosetta. The mind boggles as to how good using cubase on future macs will be once a full port is complete. I personally cannot wait and am excited by using cubase on a future Mac. I suspect once steinberg have that licked, and what with a session view clip update, you’ll be seeing an Ableton and Pro Tools killer.
You’re not being a jerk at all. The reason I continue to post, other than to vent frustration, is that I was a dedicated Cubase user for years, going back to VST 4. I never had the problems I’ve been having with that, VST 5, SX, etc. Steinberg is capable of making an excellent product-if they care to put the time into QA and listen to their users instead of trying to dictate what we want and how we want to use their products. Unfortunately, it seems to me that their success has been our downfall in many ways. I hope they come around and compete again because of my history with them.
Thanks for that explanation. It is a hazard in any competitive market, and we all have to make the decisions that get us closest to the results we’re trying to achieve.
As vendors go, from where I sit, I’d rate Steinberg a “B” in terms of business practices that have a balance between their own profits and the well-being of the customer base. I understand that from the perspective of a Mac user exposed to more frequent problems, You would probably give them a lower grade.
There are two other vendors (one a well-known DAW and hardware supplier, the other a leading plug-in maker) I am extremely disappointed in because they are hell-bent on shoving the subscription model down my throat. In the past year my grade for the DAW vendor went from a “B” to a"D" and is still heading down. And my grade for the plug-in maker has gone from an “A-” to a D.
But I simply don’t like the subscription model. No, let me state it more clearly – I abhor the subscription model and will do everything possible to avoid that, including leaving a long relationship with a vendor. Others aren’t bothered at all by subscriptions, so we may have very different assessments, and we can all be right according to our own wants and needs.
I can tell by how you speak that you’re not coming from a professional perspective - you’re just on some bizarre/fanatical anti Apple crusade. I’ve worked around the hardware side of the industry for close to 13 years and never heard such waffle.
Purely from the perspective of privacy and security is enough for most users wanting to go with Apple. This isn’t the business world of IBM mainframes and Microsoft powered business networks, which is where you seem to be coming from.
Audio engineers that I deal with want the most transparent setup as possible and security has become the utmost of importance when working under NDA. Which seems to be how the market has shifted into exclusively digital platforms.
If you have a depth of experience, please elaborate further as to what you do? Link me an album or product and I’ll buy it to support you. I’d love to know what a skilled professional as yourself is capable of - surely you want more exposure as a pro?
You missed the NASA control room full of Macbooks during the Mars landing, I take it? Or were they Dell laptops rebadged to look “cool”? lol.
Definitely on an anti-apple crusade, but it’s just from my experience.
I’ve worked with both extensively (not by choice). I don’t understand how this can be an argument, Apple literally breaks everything every 3 years. You seems to have skipped over this part of my reply:
It’s really the defeating point of my previous reply.
Why is it not? And why are networks that way? Because networks are mission critical.
We could talk about the Neve Genesys Black automation computer being Windows 7.
Which is why computers shouldn’t be connected to the internet and aren’t supposed to be under some NDAs, Mac or Windows. Not sure what you mean by transparent.
Apple probably paid for the photo-op - seriously. NASA has a history of taking money for product placement. Eitherway, those laptops aren’t what are running the mission mate, maybe running their personal email.
I’m not going to say Apple Macs are completely useless, I think if someone knows nothing about computers and you want to buy something that is ready-to-go and properly selected and configured hardware - It’s a good option. Which is probably why they became popular in studios for people coming from tape recording. Definitely I would take an Apple Mac over any electronics store sold computer like an HP or whatever, those are garbage. If I were to buy my mom a computer, it would probably be an Apple.
If you’re telling me about getting a $40,000 dollar studio computer configuration and think it should be an Apple - your crazy.
If Apple breaks everything every 3 years, then explain to me how the ProTools/Apple powered rigs have continued to dominate the music industry? Surely we’d have no music releases every 3 years if this held true?
The entire industry is built on the Apple/PT foundation - Or do you dispute this? In regards to Audio - it gets no more “Mission Critical” than that.
Have you even set foot in a pro studio? I hate to break it to you, but they’re not trying to run SBS. Most that I service have 1-3 main studio machines and shared network storage. And that’s it.
Trust me, I’ve tried to push them into running a local server and specific network credentials as it makes my life easier for remote support and alerts, but they’re not interested.
Maybe I should send you in next time to replace their reliable & secure Mac Pros for one of your homebuilt ‘custom’ PCs? Would you strip out the MS telemetries, and manage antivirus/malware for them too? You see, what you class as “Mission critical” in your business world, is not applicable in this scenario.
I’ll ask a second time as you accidentally ignored me before - You never explained what you do as a professional, and perhaps link some examples? I’m willing to pay for any content to support you, as I’m genuinely interested to hear.
I have had the rollback problem several times. Yes, that is annoying. But in recent memory I’ve not seen where Windows 10 made any of my purchased applications obsolete. This seems to be a continuing problem with Apple’s OS.
Two things can be true - Apple cornered a market, and, people bought into their cultish marketing for the wrong reasons.
They got an early foothold when people transitioned from tape recording to computer recording. Also, Protools was initially only released on Apple Mac if I remember correctly, and ProTools was one of maybe two other options but PT was “it”, and then the chip architectures changed or something and made it easier to exist on both Windows and Mac.
So no, I do not dispute it, that is an obvious truth and is the basis for my experience with Apple computers - using them at other studios.
Yes, I’m surrounded by multi-million dollar facilities. They’re all running macs, and they’ve all had problems with them some time or another and they all still believe that they are better off with macs. It is a very cult like sociology, like if macs were emitting poisonous radiation, commercial studios would still be beholden to them as they’re turning green and their hair is falling out.
Depending on the size of the operation, I wouldn’t do it alone and would probably want someone else to handle the IT.
The security thing is a bit of myth to though. Windows is targeted because they are 95% of the market - if you’re making a career out of information theft, you’re going to pull from the biggest bank. It’s pretty hard to get a virus these days unless you are going to shady sites and downloading shady stuff.
That being said, the best security is an air gap.
I didn’t accidentally ignore it, I intentionally ignored it because it’s completely irrelevant. I’m not here for self-promotion and no I don’t need it, I don’t even have social media for my work. I happen to be in a good location and met the right people early on. The entirety of my online activity is pushing feature requests on the Steinberg forums. I’m not in the habit of handing out my personal details to people requesting them online sorry (mommy told me not to). But really, because of the names I work with, and the ghosted nature of my work - I do not discuss.
But this really isn’t a personal judgment on mac users or anyone who has invested in a mac computer. People need a computer, and they buy what is best for them at that moment in time, and sometimes Apple has the best offerings tech wise, sometimes people have hardware/software needs that are better on mac, some people don’t want to spend time or brain power figuring out their own custom PC and just want something ready made that integrates with their other apple devices, etc, etc.
My contention was, that I often see Mac users getting mad at software developers, and not mad at Apple for throwing software developers curve balls ever couple or few years, while their own software and allies have early internal access to OSX changes - - not sus at all!
I wish all mac users the best, and I sincerely hope this latest generation of M1 macs are the bees knees with zero problems. If that’s the case, after a 10 year incubation period, I will buy one.
I’m not some Windows fan boy, could care less - if Steinberg released Cubase Linux tomorrow, I would ditch my Windows PC instantly.
fiy that was my 3rd or 4th last post in this thread, so deff got to end it here before I get banned for starting a mac vs pc flame war… I’m already on thin ice because of some other recent indiscretions
That’s a shame I found this all rather entertaining, and I’ve still got some more popcorn left ha ha.
Bottom line is we all like cubase and hope it grows and prospers on all platforms as that can only be good for everyone.
It’s very much relevant as you’re claiming that Mac’s are not capable of “Mission Critical” work based on your claimed vast professional experience that you brought up.
You’re happy to throw shade on Mac users based on your vast experience, yet when questioned you conveniently don’t want anyone to know what you do, and furthermore decide it’s better leave for fear of getting a ban. Hmmm… ok. I think that tells me everything.
I always come from 2 OS behind Apple and have zero problems. That is an unofficial rule just to be safe 
Cubase is solid as a rock on Windows. I’m confused why you’re surprised that software built by Apple, made exclusively for Apple, is more stable on Apple?
Haha, I wait until something doesn’t work before updating OS. Since moving to Windows that appears to be an option taken away from me though. 
I’ve lost several hours of work because my machine updates/restarts automatically overnight - even despite adding registry hacks to prevent it.
Reading through this forum, I don’t get the impression that Cubase is “solid as a rock” on Windows… but even if it is, and yes - you are right - it is no surprise that an Apple exclusive DAW is more stable on a Mac…
I expect a big, traditional company like Steinberg to deliver product support that is worth the premium price they are asking for and the professional image they advertise. They have decided to go into the Apple ecosystem, so they should make sure they deliver a fully working product with a great user experience. Either that or leave that platform entirely, instead of throwing out unfinished releases to the customers. Recently I read multiple times in this forum “this is a known issue, but unfortunately not yet scheduled for an update”. And from experience with Cubase I can now tell, these known issues haven’t been scheduled for an update in quite a while, because they are not severe enough. As a customer, I’d argue, if it is known, always schedule it for the very next update and hire enough people to get it done.
I just want to interject with this – a very tiny minority of Cubase users post regularly to the forum, and like on the rest of the Internet, people are more likely to post when something is going wrong than when things are rolling along just fine.