project root key is not changeable anymore
i.e. i can`t change from E to - (no root key)
I´m afraid this effects my recordings from scratch
what can i do to be able to change this or turn it off!?
or is this a bug in c11 ?
Hi,
What happens, if you try to change the Root Key, please?
Could you try in the Cubase Safe Start Mode [Disable preferences], please?
hi martin,
when i try to change the key to „no key“ (-) nothing happens, it will be ignored
Could you try in the Cubase Safe Start Mode[Disable preferences], please?
hi martin,
tried safe start as well as trash preferences!
still not able to turn off the root key!
Hi,
If you click to the Root Key afterwards, does it show the - symbol in the drop down menu to? Or does it show the wanted Root Key note?
yes, but all files don’t! even in the pool
it’s not changeable!
Hi,
Then it seems to by a GUI but only.
Are you sure the whole project should transpose when changing this?
i just wanna turn it off, to no key at all!
@Martin.Jirsak I don’t think this is a GUI bug, but instead a real coding issue.
However this isn’t with the Project Root Key in the Project Toolbar (this one can be disabled), but with the Root Key for Audio Clips and MIDI Parts, either from the Info Line or in the Pool.
Since the [ - ] is displayed in the list, and we are able to highlight it and click it, we are expecting the Root Key to change to “none”, but it does not. This is a serious problem because once we set the Root Key for an Audio Clip or a MIDI Part, we can no longer exclude them from the Project Root Key transposition, and the root key information will now be included in the audio files no matter what.
This completely breaks basic premise of the Root Key feature.
Furthermore, when we first set the Root Key, the action is listed in the History, but cannot be undone from here either. Note that every time we click the [ - ] value, a new entry is added to the History, while when Root Key is already set to a key, C for example, selecting C multiple times do not add any action, since it is already selected.
So this experiment proves the underlying code is failing to select and apply [ - ] properly, this isn’t just a GUI bug.
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Still bugged in 14.0.10. Never fixed.
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I found the only way to get around this is to bounce the selection, which creates a new part and resets the root key.
Hi,
This has been fixed in Cubase 14.0.20, or am I wrong?
In any case, I will be fixed in Cubase 14.0.30.
I looked at this topic tonight because it happened on the project for me when changing the project root note from B to E. A guitar track/event sounded off, and it turned out to be transposed +five. The three separate events in the track were equally affected, all separately recorded. I duplicated the track, highlighted the events on the duplicated track, and bounced the selection creating new events to test my theory. This reset the event root note to -. Oddly, I never set an event root note in the first place, only the project root note. Hopefully they fix it, it could really throw off a record.
Hi,
Sorry, I didn’t see, you try to change to “-”. You can change to any other value, but the “-”. I can confirm this.
What is the use case? Why do you want to set it to “-”?
Correct I was trying to set it back to-to coincide with the project root note. It wouldn’t allow me to do so until I bounced the selection. That reset The options back to -. Until that point, changing the project root note adjusted the event route note +five. It is fine now, but it is a definite bug.
Hi,
So, what is the use case? What do you use the Project Root for? Why do you want to set the Audio Event’s Root to “-”?
@Martin.Jirsak Setting the Audio Event’s Root Note to “-” is supposed to exclude this Event from the global Project Root Key transposition (as described in post #10 from October 2022).
I’ve just tested it and the issue is still present in Cubase 14.0.20.
As for the use case, you first set their corresponding Root Key for each Event that you would like to transpose, then once you set the Project Root Key, these Events are automatically transposed to match that global root key. This is useful for easily transposing an entire project.
This directly changes the Transpose value of all affected Events, it’s only a more musical way to display the transposition value rather than using semitones.
For this reason, an Event’s Root Key can be bypassed by setting Global Transpose to Independent, but following good logic, it should normally be possible to achieve the same result by simply not selecting a root key.
In simpler words :
Project Root Key is for globally transposing a project.
Transpose Track is an easier way to automate changing transpose values throughout a project.
So both functions have their own use case, although they DO stack to each other, that means if your C Event is transposed to E with the Project Root Key (that is +4 semitones), and you also have a Transpose Track with +2 semitones, then it will be +6 semitones.
Now the real deal is that setting Global Transpose to Independent will indeed bypass any automatic transposition (Root Key + Transpose Track) and only manual transposition will remain. But what if we want, for a specific Event, to bypass only the Root Key transposition, while keeping the Transpose Track active? This is not possible because of the bug exposed in this topic.
Sorry to answer for @Wickham_Sky but I hope this is helpful information.
Hi,
If you want to avoid the Audio Event from the Global Transpose, use the Global Transpose Independent, please.
Then you can use the Transpose Track.
I understand your use case. This is the correct use case. Honestly, I’m just wondering, somebody is really using it. 