Session View or Clip Launcher in Cubase like Bitwig/Ableton

And your personal opinion is a valid one to gatekeep features for a universally used piece of software, yes?

You’ve spent numerous posts dismissing other users needs by intimating that they’re only wanting a crutch, lacking IQ, or making boring music.

So come on, what you got to show us after all these decades?

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Yes?

Taking things out of context again bro, sort of misrepresenting what was said… and I spent numerous posts giving a fairly logical analysis and explanation of why this was not needed and a waste of resources… And then when that was spent nothing was left but to give my opinion. I never said anything about ‘Only wanting a crutch’, I never said anyone was lacking IQ - i said I lost IQ watching - a - degenerate - working linearly in Ableton which everyone knows Ableton is dogwater for and the only people who don’t know that are the people who have only used Ableton. This conversation is getting pretty boring…

Not sure why you’ve decided to take such great focus into me? I haven’t really done that with anyone here, rather focused on the ethics of software design and feature inclusion… you’ve become very sensitive about some little itty bitty side comments made in passing. It’s usually only under very special circumstances that I share my music directly to someone, and this isn’t really it bruh, you’re being kind of weird, not really setting the vibe for music sharing… but nonetheless.

Music for the people

No need for me make a full response as you said so much, so well here :+1:

This is why my original post to start this thread says what it says. Certain gatekeeper types are always like this and threads go the same way. It’s like the lady that goes into the hairdresser talking about how amazing all the men if her life are, we all know what would happen. She wouldn’t dare do that again on her next visit :joy:

I’ve noticed that the pushback on this topic mostly seems to come from people that hate current music, want to stay in the 80s/90s when they feel everything was better, hate youths having the same audio tools as them, look down on other types of musicians as “non musicians” and simplistic crap. It just gets old and it scares off the people who see the benefits of clips which you explained so well, it’s sad and disappointing :woozy_face:

I have to admit I found it funny that someone mentioned Aphex Twin. He started on an Atari with cubase, but he didn’t look for what daw he users now :thinking: :exploding_head: :joy:

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Word.

Because I’m fed up with gatekeepers sitting behind fake names with a heightened sense of greatness… If you’re going to point out that other peoples music is inherently boring, that you don’t need such a ‘crutch’ to make great music, and you’re of such a level that watching others makes you lose IQ?

I mean ‘Bro’, come on - what you got to back all this up? That’s some mad things you’ve been coming out with. You can’t expect to slate so many and not be challenged on it. You couldn’t even resist taking a swipe of a youtuber who’s pro-active in teaching a community of users.

You made this about you, I’m afraid.

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Hopefully your Ableton loops are better than your analogies

I noticed that you seem to think you know everything about everyone and that’s your only method of retort against their discontent for this particular feature request. Is all music today being made with Ableton clips or something???

One of the current top female pop artists is having some of her tracks made with Cubase - without Ableton clips… this year… 2021, 2020 maybe?

Isn’t it you who is genrefying the conversation, and putting decades on?

Why don’t you just go use Ableton? I don’t get it. Why again does Cubase need this feature tacked on? Don’t take things personal and just go use Ableton… why wait for it to be added to Cubase? Why are you wasting time?

I’m sure you know what Aphex is using today… Comon bruh, I actually know what you’re referencing and that was 10 years ago or so.

Again you guys have taken things so damn personal… I don’t care if people are making cool poopies with Ableton, have at it! I don’t care if people want to use Ableton. I don’t care if a track I like was happened to be made with Albelton - cool beans!!

No need for it in Cubase. waste of time and resources. get over it

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Aren’t you gatekeeping by saying that Cubase is anemic without copying Ableton Clips? Cubase is trash without Ableton Clips… it has become dated and irrelevant, and Cubase is going to die without Albeton Clips? Stop gatekeeping bruh

Pretty sure I said, Cubase users have been making great music without the crutch of looping. Are you telling me this stuff hasn’t become a crutch?

You’re really really good at taking what people say out of context and misrepresenting. I never said I lose IQ watching ‘others’ I said, I lost IQ watching a specific individual person.

lmfao, I made fun of the way he says ‘measures’… :cry:

Haven’t you made this about you by making it about me?

I’m going to go make some scrambled eggs

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Didn’t you say that you ‘lost’ IQ watching a mate linear edit in Ableton?

Wonder what the benefit of an already rich linear DAW would have by adding clip launching to it’s repertoire? Any ideas…?! Probably not. :crazy_face:

Surely you’re smarter than this? It’s an established workflow which artists you’ve highlighted as good musical examples use. Yet in the same post also ‘limited’ and ‘boring’ by your own standards.

Your own standards, of which no examples exist, of course.

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Rick Astley for 10 hours - nice one Tim. On a number of levels.

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As I mentioned before. I’m a long time Cubase user and would love to have a clip launcher built in Cubase. It would be a great timesaver during the ideation. I stopped using Ableton for this because of the mixer and other features I missed. Transferring ideas between DAWs is not an efficient way to work. A clip launcher in combination with all existing power from Cubase would certainly be very appealing for new customers. My workflow would benefit greatly with a clip launcher.
Here I read “we Cubase users don’t need this”. I consider myself a Cubase user but I want it. And yes I do all sorts of EDM stuff, but maybe this disqualifies me being a Cubase user…

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I would use such a feature if it were implemented. Not for loops or anything like that, but for theatre or dance cues.

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Like how this guy is using it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-kJaD6htbg

No, I mean for firing sound, or even lighting cues (via midi) for a theatre piece or modern/classical dance.

Ah ok, I imagine with the audio and scoring functions of cubase, that would be a total game changer for you?

No, not a game changer. But a useful feature.

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Not sure if the people that see session view and looping as an EDM only thing actually realise the limitations they’re placing on their own creativity.
Imagine doing what these people are doing but being able to do it in cubase, and then have the mixing, audio editing and video editing power of cubase, right there, straight after the recorded performance.
This guy is practically playing ableton like another instrument, no EDM and so called “real musicians” too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE-qkMIOhSE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x464Ltl-ZlQ

This one really shows the power with the session view being on screen for you to see. The green play icon is playing the loop on that channel, this allows each sound/loop to be mixed and matched on the fly to come up with a different arrangement and textures from any other part, loop or recorded phrase at any time, without ever hitting the stop button. Does this look like a “crutch” or “gimmick” feature to anyone? I don’t see any evil EDM DJ’s here :thinking:

Again, just imagine this on top of what’s already in cubase , everything you have now, plus this power too :exploding_head:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqrs9liAavI

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I’m sure the Steinberg devs understand why this would be good for Cubase, there are many reasons why the feature is not yet in the program, none of which have to do with the polemics in this thread.

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How do you do that now Steve?

The lighting person runs cues, and they use a program called Q-Lab, which is designed for this exact thing.

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So with this feature cubase would be a top contender for live shows including video sync shows too. Live bands could perform live with it as well as us “non musician” EDM DJ’s :hushed: :joy:
This push back is nuts to me :woozy_face:

So could you see the industry start to migrate away from Q-Labs if cubase had this Steve?