The transposition key of instrument names

I can’t figure out why the transposition key doesn’t appear in the “Edit instrument names” menu. Only the name appears, however, when I change the position of the name to center it on the staff, the transposition key appears on the top line of the score. Does anyone know what I can do to get the instrument name and transposition key to align?

Welcome to the forum @David1756

Edit: looking at your picture more closely, I realise that you’re setting up a condensed staff manually – before you do that! Take a look at this – Dorico handles condensing automatically, allowing you to keep separate Trumpet 1 and Trumpet 2 parts for the performers, whilst showing them sharing a staff in the score.

In general, Dorico automatically adds the transposition “on top of” the underlying instrument name (eg it means you can use the same name for all transpositions).

Here are the default options for where & how instrument transpositions can appear in staff labels:

Is there a way to type the flat symbol in the “Edit Instrument Names” window?
Thank you so much for your help, Lillie! Greetings from Spain.

Not for instrument names, I don’t believe, but you can for player names using tokens: eg {@flat@} and {@sharp@}.

Can you say a bit more about why you want to put transpositions into instrument names manually? I ask in case there’s a better way of achieving what you’re looking for.

Hi Lillie, what I’m trying to do is to have a two-instrument staff in which to put the 1 and 2 as I showed you in the previous photo. I’ve seen, thanks to your information, that Dorico can condense two staves into one, but they have to be previously written and after condensing them they cannot be modified. This means writing with a larger template first which will have to be readjusted later when condensing the staves, and I like to work with a fully adjusted template from the start.

Finally, I haven’t been able to enter the flat symbol at the moment, I’ve written a lowercase b and I’ve disabled the “Show transposition” option in the “Edit instrument names” window. In this way I’ve been able to get a provisional result similar to what I wanted. But it would be very useful if tokens could be used in “Edit instrument names” or if the instrument’s pitch also appeared along with its name. I’m a Finale user and this procedure for a two-player staff is very fast.

Is there a video tutorial that explains the process for extracting the parts?

Thank you so much again.

You can write/edit to your heart’s desire in Galley View. It is only Page view that shows the condensing.

I won’t challenge our expert @Lillie_Harris, but it seems to me that Dorico will automatically do what you want if you let it.

That is a recipe for frustration in Dorico. Get all your notes (etc.) entered first and only then start worrying about layout. As I said, you will probably find that Dorico has sorted 90% of your layout questions for you.

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Hi Lillie! Following up on this. In Spanish and Italian note names are given in lowercase. So, “do” and “re”, and not “Do” and “Re”. Is there a way to have Dorico do this automatically for me?

I’m looking at instrument labels specifically. At the moment I always get “Clarinetti in Sib” or “Cl. (Sib)” and I want to be able to get “Clarinetti in sib” or “Cl. (sib)” [I’ve used the letter “b” here to stand in for the flat sign, of course.]

Thanks!

You can copy/paste a flat from here.

You can adjust the baseline and size of the flat individually, this is a rough picture.

Text to copy:
B♭ Trumpet

If you need any music symbols, just Google for example:
unicode music flat sign
Then copy/paste it from Wikipedia, it is way easier than entering code.

So, I completely forgot that there is a setting in Engrave Options under Language category so that note names are either uppercase or lowercase. This solved my issue.

Thanks to Daniel for reminding me about its existence in the topic where I cross-posted.