Yes, those are options. And maybe that is why Presonus feels like they need to be more liberal in their licensing. Nonetheless, I find it a very undesirable restriction.
Here is a real world example. I am halfway through a project that I am supposed to be turning over to a friend who has S1 V4. This was to be an opportunity for him to dig in to learn S1. He bought the V4 license awhile back but never got around to learning it.
I just paid to upgrade my V3 to V4, specifically so I could do this particular collaboration. If not for that, I would probably have remained at V3.
Once V5 was announced, I was entitled to a free upgrade to V5 because my V4 upgrade was so recent. So naturally I upgraded to the latest version. I had finished my work for the collaboration before upgrading. So in this case, I can send the V4 material to my friend when he is ready. But if I need to do any further work on it, I MUST do that in V4 because there will be no way to do it in V5 and still save in a form my friend can open. I really don’t want to juggle my 5 licenses and I doubt my friend wants to spend any more money on upgrades until he has the time to really immerse himself in the technology.
well, as you can see - Presonus is only stealing good features from other daws AGAIN…
Where are the innovations…? ARA was the only one, it seems so…
3/4 of the “Studio One V5” features comes from > Cubase !!!
Artikulations
Clip-Gain Volume Envelope Events
Listen Bus
Mixer Scences
MTC/MMC Synchronisation
Score Editor
Gleichzeitige Nutzung mehrer Editoren
Tape Algorithm
Marker Track Inspektor
Sidechain for all dynamic effects
ProEQ2 Analyser and Linear Phase Low Cut
e.g.
Then you can use the Original called Cubase.
BTW, don´t forget that great innovations mostly come from steinberg, like Control Room, VST3, Midi Expressions, Note Expressions, Vari Audio, Chord Track, Arranger Track, easy Sampler Track, Media Bay, modern flexible Mix Console, etc. etc.
SO Clip Gain is more like PT with multiple break points without the need of splitting the region. Hope to see that in 11
The regular one was there from the beginning.
Other than that SO mostly shines with great and simple workflow, more advanced drag and drop, and a few very useful unique features.
Of course if you make a feature by feature comparison SO is still behind. It all depends how much of the features someone needs or uses.
I have been using it since V1 after starting with Cubase on Atari and moving to Logic. Last couple of months I went between Logic and Cubase again and decided on Cubase. For me the workflow and easiness of SO was hard to give up though.
There’s not much you can’t do if you have both Cubase and S1. No one’s ever going to be totally satisfied with just one DAW because it’s impossible to write and maintain the code for a perfect DAW. I’m going to get the latest Cubase Pro and stick with S1 2.6 which epitomizes streamlined ease of use for things like using Melodyne ARA to tune vocals (if I don’t get on with the Cubase vocal tools, though I hear good things about the tuning even if the auto-align may be more questionable than Vocalign/Revoice). It’s really child’s play to do simple or medium productions in even my 7-year old S1. With Cubase Pro, then I’ll be able to get exotic with MIDI and “have it all.”
It is very true - Cubase is a mature and fully featured DAW with lots of bells and whistles. However, a DAW is just a tool (at least for me) - convenience (great UX) is where my money goes. I mostly care about getting the same (or better) results in a faster/easier way.
Steinberg developers might have been the 1st with some features, but people at Presonus made them a joy to use.
If the innovative features in Cubase wouldn’t be left in their infancy for years, then there would be fewer reasons to whine about them and check out the other DAWs as a result.
Cubase may “invent” them, but they don’t get to work properly or they may break them, like they have done with Expression maps and exporting tracks from songs in Cubase 10.5. And they haven’t updated Cubase since May, even when you can find a lot of bugs that have been reported for years. They don’t seem to care about having their DAW working properly.
I created a trackpreset in Cubase. Then I drag it from the explorer to the DAW and boom, Cubase crash. Expression maps works randomly. Audio engine sometimes breaks randomly. I like Cubase, but it’s not reliable. That’s why I’m trying Studio One.
Studio One does a lot of things that Cubase does, but better in some cases. However, expression maps were much better in Cubase, and Cubase has several markers and a video track.
My problem with Cubase is that they have lost my trust. I don’t expect them to make it work well again, as they haven’t fix many of the bugs I have suffered since version 9. I could live with many of them, but the ones introduced in 10.5 were dealbreakers to me. So, even Cubase 10 is still usable, I don’t think Cubase team is reliable and I don’t expect them to get any better. I hope I’m wrong.
Good thing about Studio One is you can use it for 15€/month until Steinberg makes Cubase work properly for every user.
I went from Logic to Cubase a year ago and never looked back. Logic is fun to use with drummer, lots of loops to practice mixing with. But the single spike core bug, lack of routing and not being stable for years was enough for me to switch. Ablton has a boring GUI but love the clip sequencing. Studio One I just can’t get into. With Cubase I felt right at home. The routing possibilities alone is worth it(Boy do I hate Logics Environment), Mediabay, Control Room etc. etc.
Cubase is great with great features, both S1 and Cubase are stable on my system. I’m using S1 since 10 years now with a Cubase break since the last 5 years, now back to S1 for a new trial.
In my case the arranger in S1 is more comfortable for me including the pattern editor. Cubase on the other side has this great track versions feature.
The backward compatibility with S1 songs is horrible, closed to a nogo when changing songs between collabs. This is not professional.
When I’m stare a couple of hours on the screen, Cubase GUI is more relaxing than the S1 cluttered GUI. Also Cubase GUI is more configurable while S1 sucks here.
In my opinion the drum mapping in S1 is more easier than in Cubase.
The MixConsole is great while S1 sucks here again including the “channels/busses moving across the Console when inserting a new track or bouncing tracks in the song” feature.
I’m on a Mac and Cubase GUI reacts slower than S1.
And sry, Cubase sucks while it’s dongled. I wipe away all my dongled plugins (iLok, Waves) within the last months. I will have a look if Steinberg will offer a new, more mobile license management. That’s what I really need, a dongleless system, losing some great features maybe is a break but when I resume the first 5 years with S1 only I missed nothing. My switch to Cubase five years ago was justified in the MixConsole and the GUI, when S1v3 was released, the absolutely darkened sh… burned my eyes. But S1v5 looks a little better now.
Control Room Mixer
VST Preset manager. Very useful for saving, recalling and organizing synth presets for virtual instruments.
Load in any plugin by typing the first few letters of that plugin.
Load in any preset by typing the first few letters of that preset.
Comp Tool and faster audio comping
Group track recording and comping with audio quantize
Create midi from hit points. Useful for creating drum trigger from real drums.
Assign any midi button or knob to almost any function to create custom controllers and workflow.
Process audio and plugins on a track/clip - very useful for graphical mode Auto Tune or Melodyne.
Quickly hide folders of tracks and certain track types from an external touch screen app or Eucon, or custom midi controller.
32 & 64 bit audio engine.
Those are the functions are keeping me in Cubase. Swapping DAWs would be a decrease in workflow. I get annoyed at the drag and drop feature of Studio One and the comping in both Logic and Studio One the most.
Logic is impressive but falls apart quickly if you have to record a full band or do a lot of vocal tracking and comping, it also has no way to manage your custom sounds and synth presets and you spend forever creating fxbs or using whatever outdated method each individual synth plugin uses - although some are better than others, they are all slower than the preset manager in Cubase.
In saying that, I still recommend Logic to anyone who has a mac and is starting out. For $200 Cubase can’t really compete with it in terms of price. Functionality wise, Cubase is better but you pay a lot more for the extra features. I’ve worked in studios that have engineers that have used logic for 30+ years. You have to learn a lot of shortcuts to get fast at Logic and even then, Cubase does most things faster. Studio One is even slower because you have to drag and drop everything.
If Logic, Studio One or even Luna were to copy these features and put them in their DAW(s), Steinberg and Cubase would be in trouble.
I find it easy in Logic using the library. I just load the plugin and change presets from the library without even opening the plugin window but I am trying to find a similar workflow in Cubase.
Is there a tutorial that you know of about Vsti presets?
I am trying to use media bay for presets but each time I double click a preset a new instrument track is created. I just want to change the preset keeping the instrument on the track and I don’t want to do it from the Plugin window header.
I have tried Garage Band, Logic, Presonus Studio One, Mixbus, Cakewalk Sonar, and a few others, and I haven’t found anything with even 50% of the power and features of Cubase. You may not even know you need something Cubase does until one fine day you discover it, and it’s suddenly your new favorite thing ever. I may complain here and there, but Cubase is extremely thorough and powerful.
I literally just posted a complaint about the preset browsing in cubase, but the thing is that it’s the best in the business at letting you save and load presets for everything. rack inserts. tracks. vst settings. midi patterns in the drum system (groove agent) or the midi inserts. dozens of places inside Cubase have preset save and preset load features, and this alone is a reason to stay with Cubase.
Some weird midi filtering capability? Some weird midi inserts capability? Check. Check. Check.
Some incredible scripting or macro capability? Check.
Some kind of routing or mixing or advanced automation thing that’s incredibly hard to do on any other daw? Check.
I was listening to a music production podcast run by an Ableton LIve guy, and they were talking about MIDI polyphonic aftertouch capabilities, we’re talking basic MIDI message types here, and Ableton LIve can’t handle it. WHAT? WHAT? It’s that kind of thing that keeps me on Cubase.
Cubase has a lot of great features, but usually they need to be polished… and they hardly often do that.
Cubase has a lot of bugs, and sometimes can be workflow breakers (like the one in 10.5 with Expression Maps). As they don’t affect the whole community of users of the program, they hardly often fix them.
At least, this is my feeling since I’m user of the program (Cubase 9).
Other DAWs have great features.
Studio One 5 has the browser and the drag and drop component, which is also in Cubase but in a less convenient way.
Digital Performer has chunks (they work like flows in Dorico).
And, well, a lot of things. I think every great DAW has its good points and its flaws. And I find fun discover new things in other DAWS (which may help you work better in your main DAW).
I’m looking forward to seeing how Steinberg fixes all the bad things they did in Cubase 10.5 (which not affected everybody, but affected me) in the future Cubase 11.
The library in Logic only displays the default synth presets, not ones you create yourself. I assume you’re just browsing stock sounds and aren’t using any 3rd party soundbanks. That’s very limiting. In Cubase, try saving and loading sounds/presets that you like so you can load them up when needed. You have to open the instrument window but trust me, it’s much faster than browsing hundreds of useless presets you’ll never use in Logic.
I don’t know of any tutorials showing the workflow I’m describing but if you were in my studio you’d see me do it all day lol. I sometimes stream live on Twitch from the studio but eventually you’ll probably see me do it on the Current Sound YouTube channel. You just use the blank box thing above each instrument window to save and load your presets.
The library in Logic does show user presets. General presets (including track summing stacks and track presets) are under ‘User Patches’ at the top of the library window.
If a plug-in or insert is selected (showing a blue triangle) then custom presets and default presets are displayed in the library too.
I use a pretty comprehensive preset system in Logic, really easy to use.
