Yamaha Cc1 usb controller

Saw this pop by.

Not sure why SB is not announcing this, besides this being Yamaha branded. Looks like a really nice update to the vintage controller options.

Now if they would add a 8 fader / 16 knob extension to this than it would be a nice minimalistic setup.

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And it could be the start of a new generation of professional Yamaha DAW controllers to follow the Nuage system.

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Exactly I imagine something like this in the same form-factor next to it :

and then other more expansive ‘mixer’ options (with more buttons for more specific functionality). but this is a good start!

“(… no official website in English yet, it seems)”

Music & Audio Production - Audio - Yamaha - Africa / Middle East / Others do you mean? this is an English webpage from Yamaha. How much more official can it become?

Believe me, there only was the German site when I initially posted this. :wink: I changed the link in the meantime anyway.

ok that’s pretty confusing then haha. I saw an English page when I posted it here.
but I believe you, no worries.

Looks like an excellent replacement for the CC121, I’ll probably pick one up!

It’s trap! Yamaha will stop updating drivers ( especially if you are Mac based ) in a few years.

Been bitten too many times.

Not true for everything. For me the bigger disappointment was with Nuage, unsupported few years after release and no compatible with recent SO versions.

Otherwise, DM2000, released 25 years ago, is fully supported now. I’m using it in my setup as deep controller for Nuendo and it’s far away from control that DM7 offers today, which is very poor.

So I think it can be a new path for new professional controllers, It’s my hope.

also checked out the cc1 already! looks like a promising (portable) controller, especially with the stream deck built in - there are countless opportunities to use this little fella.

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Sorry to hear you’ve been hit by this too many times. My experience is in fact the opposite. I know there are some pieces of hardware that Yamaha/Steinberg discontinued earlier than others, but I’ve been doing this for a long time too, and I’d put Yamaha/Steinberg in the better group for driver support, compared to many other companies. You have every right to disagree with me of course, and there are examples that support your position. But there are also many examples of good to very good long-term driver support that go beyond reasonable expectations too.

Granted, MacOS is a tougher situation, and as a former MacOS user, I got screwed over by many developers over the years, especially and most importantly by Apple itself, breaking things more often than fixing things in my experience. One of the many reasons I finally quit Apple. But in any case, we can agree that any software developer is going to have extra support costs with Apple, especially in recent years with the Apple Silicon stuff and driver model changes, which is impacting everyone, including one of my favorite companies, RME, which has one of the best track records of all. Most companies don’t fare well when compared to RME. So if longevity is the highest priority, then RME is a very good bet.

The question for Yamaha/Steinberg becomes how long is it reasonable to expect something to be supported in this industry? I get it that you don’t have confidence based on your experience with Macs, but if we do a fair comparison, Yamaha/Steinberg still comes out very good in many cases.

On Windows, it’s even better of course.

I’ll give a few examples:

Let’s start with the immediate spiritual predecessor of the CC1 (the topic of the thread, right?), which IMO was the CC121, which I owned and loved. The CC121 was originally released I believe in 2008. How long do you think Steinberg should support it? 5 years? 10 years? 18 years?

Windows 11 is actually technically still supported… 18 – EIGHTEEN – years later. Now I no longer have the CC121 and I can’t vouch for it working perfectly, I sold my CC121 several years ago (great resale value too!), but there’s a Windows 11 compatible driver on the Steinberg site. Wow! 18 years!

MacOS was supported up through about 2022 if I recall and it supposedly worked on Rosetta, but I don’t believe they released native Apple Silicon support. So you’re right in that sense for MacOS, but let’s see what that adds up to – 14 – FOURTEEN – years of support. Still pretty good by any standard if you ask me! 14!

They finally had to discontinue the CC121 hardware because parts were simply not available. No doubt they started planning for the CC1 back then.

Here’s another example – Steinberg’s USB audio devices such as the old UR series… let’s rewind time back to the UR22, UR28M, and UR824, for example. Those came out in the 2011-2012 timeframe I believe. I’ve owned a bunch of that line of interfaces over the years, and still have a few left of more recent generations in the studio somewhere. They are reliable little workhorses, build like little tanks. Let’s look at the support for 2026:

The Yamaha Steinberg USB driver STILL supports all the way back to those devices, and is current today on Windows 11, and SOME of the devices are even still supported on macOS 26 Tahoe today… and not only that, several of them are EVEN supported on Windows 11 on ARM too! That’s kind of impressive if you ask me. Windows on ARM support for some of them? Borderline crazy. That’s 14 – FOURTEEN – years of support, even for Apple Silicon and Windows on ARM today. Let’s give some credit to Steinberg/Yamaha, come on!

How many other hardware companies can you say are hitting that kind of longevity and platform support? Yes, there are some, but it’s a short list.

So I really think when it comes to a certain class of mass-produced hardware, Steinberg/Yamaha has a GOOD track record of support over time IMO.

If we take a look at Nuage, for example, that’s a more complex story, niche product, much more expensive to produce and maintain. But even if we use that as an example of Steinberg/Yamaha not investing long-term in it – and I won’t argue with you in certain respects – let’s look at OS compatibility as of 2026 – Nuage is still technically compatible with Windows 11 on Nuendo 14 and Cubase 14, as of Tools 2.2.0. On MacOS, it only goes up MacOS 15 from what I can see, and I’ll assume it’s not Apple Silicon native.

So Nuage was announced in about 2012, and let’s say on Macs its (debatable) lifespan for cutting edge OS use was up to about 2022 if we factor in lack of native Apple Silicon to be picky about this. In fact, I’m not totally up to date on Nuage situation today, are we even sure yet they’ve announced no support for Apple SIlicon? I haven’t been following it lately. Either way, worst case scenario, that’s still 10 years on Macs, and much more on Windows…

So I get it if you bought Nuage more recently as a Mac user, and thought you’d have more years out of it. And I get it if you bought something at the end of its lifespan, and got fewer years out of it than you hoped. That’s the case with any hardware developer unfortunately.

And I’m sure we can cherry pick a Steinberg product that got the short end of the stick of driver support, but considering the relative simplicity of the CC1, and considering the target market, and considering the number of units they are likely to sell… well, I think we can count on AT LEAST 10 years of driver support, right? Probably much more if we look at the Yamaha/Steinberg USB driver support list…

That’s AT LEAST 10 years of support worst case scenario, barring the bankruptcy of Yamaha and Steinberg. Seriously, I don’t know what the world will look like in 10 years, but it’s HIGHLY likely that by 2036 I’ll still be feeling perfectly fine about paying $400 for the CC1 in 2026.

I just don’t think we have anything to worry about when it comes to driver support for the CC1, at least for a long time.

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I can confirm and add the CMC AI to the list. It also comes with an AI knob like the new controller and it still works like a charm on C15 Windows 11. I bought it in 2011 and it’s has been supported ever since. Not bad at all - 15 years of support and on-going :+1:

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Dom’s video is posted… and frankly, it’s better than I expected. I’m keeping my enthusiasm under control because this thing looks almost too good to be true, in terms of workflow integration stuff. But I want to get one in my hands first before I get my hopes up too much.

Is Steinberg getting out of the hardware game all together? I guess it makes sense since they are a wholly owned subsidiary of Yamaha. Just went to the UR-C webpage and it says that it’s discontinued, with a link to the Yamaha website. Probably old news for everyone else but I’m just now seeing this.

thanks, the streamdeck integration and Adv Integration are really decent!
for those interested here’s a link to the manual. I think I might buy this!

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One thought just popped into my mind. The device is relying on 3 companies to work:

  1. Yamaha
  2. Elgato (streamdeck)
  3. Apple or Windows.

If any of these companies decide to no longer support it, what are we left with? Will the streamdeck functionality disappear? What if MacOS goes to a hypothetical ‘QuantumProcessor’, will Yamaha be able to port it to the this new platform?
Then again, it is a €350,- device not a Nuage 32 fader-controller.. :slight_smile:
Still, these are things to consider for potential buyers.

Yamaha pretty much started the small format digital mixer and moving fader automation for that breed of device. You would think their product lineup would be flooded with ace fader controller surface options building on that legacy of experience for modern workflow.

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I don’t understand your comment (non-native English speaker). What do you mean with ‘you would think’’

My CMC controllers still work after something like 13 years, just fyi, these were manufactured by Yamaha and branded Steinberg

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