Disable mouse fader movement in the mix console

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This is getting kinda ridicules… Steinberg, you came up with a great update but how do you expect mix engineers with a large amount of tracks to be able to take you seriously if navigating through the mix consoles is still such a vulnerable, risky, hazardous task? For the love of god, please give us the option to choose if we want the mouse wheel to change parameters by hovering or not.

If the development team is so in love with this feature for some reason, let’s do something like that:

Settings:

Mouse Wheel Parameter Control

Options:

  1. Always Enabled (current default)
  2. Require Hotkey [Set Hotkey]
  3. Disabled (REALLY disabled, please. NOT like the current setting).

You’ve done so many great things, so I’m wondering how hard could it possibly be to implement?

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Yes, we share the same frustrations! Moving around the mix channels should be fast! I already voted for the folders thing, but that seems a lot more work for development team. The mouse wheel thing just seems trivial to implement and would make a world of difference…

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Most of the requested features here is a common place in other DAWs. Steinberg team really has to take care because they have a very good DAW indeed.
The other feature that keeps me off to fully produce in my recently Cubase 13 purchase (and not upgrading to C 14) is the Folder Tracks not showing in MixConsole view.
Both these issues hinder my workflow and it’s a big miss on Steinberg’s side.
Studio One from Presonus was my other candidate but it lacked the professional look, the extensive metering per channel and the vst instruments along with the included libraries of Cubase.
Now I really do have second thoughts although I have also purchased the Absolute pack…

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+1 to E.J.
This seems the most reasonable (unobjectionable to all) solution. For the love of god Steinberg, just do it. If the Cubase code is recently revised it should be trivial.
I have lost a lot of time figuring out what got changed in a project by an inadvertent mouse wheel scroll.
Here is an idea.
Have a meeting, figure out what it will cost you to implement and start a crowdfund to finance it. Maybe that would work for other things that have been begged for and ignored for years as well (console folder tracks ?).
I’m in for a $20.

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Since the operator(s?) here mentioned multiple times that the way it works now is a ‘feature not a bug’, and that this feature should be requested as such, I created a new topic for that. Idk if that’s going to help, but if you care about the matter please vote and reply on the new thread:

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Sorry for the post, I’ll just be venting. I simply can’t use Cubase as it stands because of this mouse wheel crap. I hate it!
I’ve been trying to deal with this for a few weeks and no matter how careful I am, stuff is thrown out of place in the mixer because of this idiocy. I simply don’t understand how people can use Cubase this way.

I’m not posing a rhetorical question here. I genuinely would like to know how people that like the feature deal with accidentally changing stuff on the mixer?
Are you guys extra, extra, extra careful with mouse wheel scrolling? Or you use some other technique? Or what? Please, give me something because I just can’t deal with it as it is.

I really am trying to vibe with this software but I simply can’t wrap my head around this thing.

Sorry for the rant, but please help me out with workflow because with so many people using Cubase for years there must be a way to avoid the problem.

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To be honest - I use the mouse and drag the horizontal scroll bar. It does not upset me because my brain is wired this way. Additionally I have a trackpad, that allows me to do horizontal scrolling with two fingers, of course only in the fader section of the console.
But I have the deepest sympathies for everybody who struggles with the current implementation. I think Steinberg’s current implementation does not speak to the majority of the user base.

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I’m just VERY VERY VERY careful with the mouse. I have the mixer on a different monitor than the project window, so I know that when I move the mouse over to the mixer window, it’s DANGER ZONE to accidentally mess up my mix.

I’ve reluctantly gotten used to this way of working, but am still cursing out this implementation under my breath.

Here’s to hoping this will get fixed at some point, there’s certainly enough heat here in the forums about it :fire:

I’d gladly pay the $100 upgrade price for the next version of Cubase if this is the ONLY thing fixed. I’m not kidding about this.

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+1
In fact, the current implementation is unusable.

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I don’t like scrolling around in the mixer to begin with so I’m utilizing Visibility Configurations as well as all 4 Mix Consoles. If I for some reason I do need to scroll in the mixer, I move the cursor to either the area above the faders (over the M, S, L & E buttons) or below (over the R, W Monitor & Rec Enable buttons).

I use the mouse wheel for changing parameters all the time in Cubase so the trade off having to be mindful of where your cursor is in the Mix Console, is minor to me. Especially since I hardly ever scroll in there.

One thing that puzzles me though, why doesn’t middle click work as expected in the fader section? It works in the rack section of the mixer. For some reason middle click in the fader section registers as a left mouse button click.

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I use my mixer/mixers on two screens in full screen mode… In Cubase 14 you can just drag your mouse off the bottom of the screen.
Then you can use the mouse scroll wheel to scroll left/right… without worrying about toching “anything”.

Prior to C14 (I still use C12), I always show and put my main out to the right zone of the mixer. From there I have worked in a method of using the space between the right zone track/tracks to scroll left/right… Now it is muscle memory.

Or I just mouse drag the horizontal scroll bar… Which has become much better and easier to hit since some versions back.

PS. I am among those who love being able to use the the scroll wheel to move the faders and sends (shift + scroll for fine adjust)… So it better be an option or preference setting IMO

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@mlib @Carvin_Man, @Johnny_Moneto and @Timo00 , guys, sincerely thanks for your help after my rant! I’m really trying to find a way to go full on 100% into Cubase and honestly this stupid issue is what’s preventing me.

As for your suggestions, @mlib I did try using Visibility Configurations and they’re are useful, but even with these, in a big enough session I still find it necessary to scroll around the mixer to reach all tracks. One thing I don’t like with Visibility Configurations is that every new track has to be assigned to the correct VC set and I easily forget.

However, I solved this in a different way. I always name my tracks with something like. g.Gtr1 for guitars (for example), so everything tracks whose name starts with g. will be a guitar. I then have PLE scripts to filter the tracks I want.

@Carvin_Man @Johnny_Moneto @Timo00, yes, that’s what I’ve been trying, to get into the habit of always moving the cursor fully down on the mixer before scrolling. Two problems with this: first, in the embedded mixing console scrolling to the bottom doesn’t work, so here I go having to target the ridiculously narrow target area on the scroll bar…
Second, and worse, I use the Logitech MX Master 3 mouse which has a particular scroll wheel with a lot of inertia. Literally, if you start the scrolling with enough force it scrolls for about 10 seconds! So with this mouse wheel is very easy to accidentally move over the faders while it is still scrolling a little. But even the Apple Magic Mouse, which is way more common on Mac, has inertia! When you stop scrolling with your finger, the scroll action is still performed for a little bit afterwards.

So even after being extra careful I still end up realising two hours later that I moved my faders or panning by accident.

@Carvin_Man for sure, what everybody has been asking for is an option to disable this behaviour. I would also disable this option by default so that everybody that uses the scroll wheel for scrolling wouldn’t even know it was there, unlike what Steinberg did with the latest, partial settings option that disabled the mouse wheel only in a few spots - they’ve enabled it by default which is puzzling!

What’s incredible to me is that this latest option in C14 actually acknowledges that the problem exists! But for some reason they chose to keep it restricted to a few select situations.

All this discussion because of a simple extra option in settings for all of us that don’t like this… It’s incomprehensible to me.

Anyway, big thanks to everybody that chimed in to help!
I’ll keep trying to deal with this for a while more to see if I get the hang of it.

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Any updates on this?

It’s quite frustrating that this thread has been open since 2018 and there’s still no solution. :cry:

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came to + 1

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I’ve given up on Cubase for now. Too much frustration. I’ll keep checking because I want to use it but for now no dice because of the issue in this thread. So frustrating…

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It’s frustrating. I’ve been using Luna a lot lately and in the mixer you can scroll with no worries.

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Seriously, Steinberg — what kind of i**** came up with the idea of using the mouse wheel to scroll through the mixer? There are so many better ways to navigate a mixer without accidentally destroying a carefully balanced mix with one careless scroll.

This has to be one of the most frustrating DAWs ever made, with too much overthinking in it.
And don’t even get me started on the UI: the function labels don’t even match the names in the shortcut settings :smiley:

Please, just get rid of the 30 years of legacy code clutter. Enough is enough.

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This has actually been fixed in the latest Cubase 14 update released yesterday. Now you can turn off this mouse wheel behavior completely.

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Welcome to the forum.
What a great first post, where the sixth word that you use is an insult already. :+1:

Usually I would agree with the technical aspect of your post but since you are raging exactly one day after Steinberg fixed the scrolling issue I was having a laugh instead.

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I still love using the mouse wheel to scroll though the mixer and have no issues with it. Great feature! :face_savoring_food:

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