Force stem direction isn't working?

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When attempting to set “Force Stems down” in the property panel, Dorico fights me on it and refuses to put the stems down for certain notes (blue notes, tied to the eighths). It does not listen to “flip stems” hotkey, and it doesn’t matter which direction I set the tie.

Why? “Force stems” should ACTUALLY force them, right!?

You must go to engrave mode to flip the stems of subsequent tied notes.

This has been brought up many times on the forum, going back all the way to 2017.

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Thanks.

The more important question is when would it ever be desirable to have subsequent tied notes within the same melodic line NOT share a stem direction? I feel like it would actually make more sense to need to menu dive to force the opposite (or what this program considers the default for some reason).

It has been brought up many times, ahhhhhh because it doesn’t make any sense.

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Feature request: change “Force Stem Direction” in the Write Mode Parameters to say “Force Stem Direction (Sometimes), But Please See Engrave Mode To Actually Accomplish Anything”

I understand the frustration, please rest assured the team is aware of the issue.