Hello Dorico team and personally @John_at_Steinberg,
I hope you are all doing well after Christmas!
Would be really nice if we have Playback Template, and VE Pro Template for Cremona Quartet.
One of the most finest and realistic sounding libraries for solo instruments.
Dan hello and Merry Christmas!
Well, unfortunately the playback template creation will be a bit difficult. Some of the parameters
cannot be assigned to keyswitches, nor to CCs like “Fingered Legato, Bowed, Runs and Portamento”, as well as the Performance “High String, Smart and Low String”. The library sounds great, but the interface isn’t enough flexible and well designed…
The developers should make all the parameters CC assignable.
String position is CC21, bow change through a keyswitch , portamento with higher velocity, vibrato CC15 etc – do I need to go on (this is from the manual on the cello) ? If a library was not programmable, it would be useless for anything other than live playing and probably wouldn’t sell. If it’s programmable in Logic or Cubase, it’s almost certainly programmable in Dorico the same basic way looking fairly briefly into the documentation that the CSS solo strings are. Despite being officially “incompatible”, I’m pretty happy with two large-scale works I programmed for CSS SS and see no reason why the same couldn’t be done for Cremona until someone proves the contrary.
Unfortunately, listening to the tutorial and demos, I think the sound is too cold for my taste though could work nicely for early music and there are some rather beautiful faster articulations.
Well, some of the parameters are programmable but not all. For example “Con Sordino” isn’t factory assigned, nor even can be assigned to any controller… Would be far better if we can switch between “Fingered, Bowed, Runs and Portamento” by using CCs, this would reduce the number of library instances per instrument.
Surely they need to do some improvements on the interface.
I’m sure you’re right that there could be interface improvements, I’ve really just tried to familiarise myself with the basics. As for con sord, I can’t find a controller either. Obviously it takes several seconds to attach mutes so mostly entire movements or sections will be played in this way but how you’re supposed to record the changes in a DAW or Dorico on this one, I have no idea!
Obviously the developers should make any parameter which might change during the course of the work assignable in some way. I’m with you on that one.
@dspreadbury and @John_at_Steinberg hello,
I’m almost ready with the template for Cremona Quartet + VE Pro. There are just very few things that I can’t make them work. So, I will need just a little help from someone of you to fix the problems.
Тhe main problem is the Glissando/Portamento assignment. Unfortunately I can’t make it works.
I had tried to use “on events”, or “off events”, but I can’t make the expression map to trigger the Keyswitch for Sustain Portamento and Marcato Portamento.
Just tell me to whom I should send the files.
You’re probably better off emailing John than me, since he’s much more experienced in working on playback templates than I am. However, I don’t think John actually has the Cremona Quartet library, so the extent to which he would be able to help might be limited by that. Anyway, you can drop him a line at j dot barron at steinberg dot de, but please be patient when it comes to a response. Everybody has been enjoying some welcome time off over the Christmas and New Year period and I’m sure he will have a hefty workload of things to work through when he returns to work next week.
Happy New Year, dear colleagues!
I wish long life, good health, happiness, music, passion and success to all of you!
Here is my present for you:
Template for the awesome Cremona String Quartet Library.
The whole needed information could be found in the Cremona Quartet and VE Pro README.pdf
Other settings can be adjusted individually. Make sure that the playing style is assigned to the correct keyswitch under Expression maps in Dorico.
Import under expression maps the file i have uploaded above.
Check there if Volume Dynamics are set to Control Change: 1.
Under PLAY set MIDI CC11 per each instrument for playing instructions.
Also check on the right, under VST Instruments and assign the individual expression maps to KONTAKT for each instrument.
Attention: When changing the playing style, notate the dynamics! This is because it does not take over the dynamics of the previous playing style.
I’ve just spent three days to figure this all out, as i just started to work with external VSTs. So please excuse me, if something is not quite correct.
Pretty nice that you had spent some time working on another template for Cremona Quartet!
You didn’t have wasting your time on doing it. The only thing you needed to do is follow the README for the template created by me, to map the articulations exactly as they are on the screenshots in the document and use the Updated playback template.
These steps can be done even for creation of a smaller template, because the one I had created is full and takes more than 34GB of RAM. The one created by you looks much smaller, according to the list of techniques.
Thank you for providing an alternative template for this library!
Just a note to report that the Cremona quartet has been updated. Each instance can now host up to 32 articulations. This will allow a much easier management via expression map, and even allow for a full quartet to sit inside the same Kontakt instance.
Yes, you are right about that the whole quartet could now be hosted within a single instance of Kontakt.
Currently I don’t have enough time to work on Expression Maps update for Cremona Quartet.
When I have some free time, I will update it. For now you can use the current one. It works fine.
Yes, you can use the Expression Maps without VE Pro, just you have to re-create the instrument patches and the articulation ordering according to the Cremona Quartet and VE Pro README.pdf, in order to match the Expression Maps settings.
As I said earlier in this comment, I will make an update as soon as I have enough time to dedicate for this job. But I can’t promise exactly when it will happen. I have many projects to work on.
Thank you for making the expression map Thurisaz, it’s working well. There are a few things I’m confused about, and I’m hoping somebody can shed some light:
I’m assuming if I don’t add any playing techniques, the expression map will default to natural? In this case, natural is set to keyswitch E1 (sustain fingered). However, if I don’t add any playing techniques, I get F1 (sustained runs). Even if I manually add the nat playing technique, I get E1 instead of F1. Am I missing something?
I don’t quite understand the purpose of the Init switch. On every expression map in Dorico, it’s empty (no actions). What’s the difference between Init and natural?
Sorry for the delayed reply, I was outside the city the whole day.
You already figured out what causes the Expression Maps to default to KeySwitch - F1. It’s exactly the speed of the performance and it is the Expression Maps Conditions. If you write longer note duration, or slower tempo it will default to E1.
Init is empty by default, but its purpose is to ensure that when the performance of articulation ends Dorico will default the playback to Natural.